Are Mormons Christian?

[know1]

theres no room for religion in politics. and if you make political decisions(for the nation) based on your religious views then you should not be in politics. and as you said. it matters to be honest and i think thats the biggest thing. oh and admitting when youre wrong.

I totally disagree with this. If you're a religious person and you have a set of values and morals that you try to follow, then you should absolutely make political decisions based upon those. There is no way you can be a TRULY religious person and not have it affect your decisions.

[pandora]

theres no room for religion in politics. and if you make political decisions(for the nation) based on your religious views then you should not be in politics. and as you said. it matters to be honest and i think thats the biggest thing. oh and admitting when youre wrong.

I totally disagree with this. If you're a religious person and you have a set of values and morals that you try to follow, then you should absolutely make political decisions based upon those. There is no way you can be a TRULY religious person and not have it affect your decisions.

I agree know1, I am not religious in that I do not follow a religion
but knowing God has changed how I look at myself, my role in life,
the world and it's inhabitants.
The big picture of here and beyond, our connection to each other, influences my
political views.

I can not separate God from me in any way, nor would I ever want to.

[catefrances]

theres no room for religion in politics. and if you make political decisions(for the nation) based on your religious views then you should not be in politics. and as you said. it matters to be honest and i think thats the biggest thing. oh and admitting when youre wrong.

I totally disagree with this. If you're a religious person and you have a set of values and morals that you try to follow, then you should absolutely make political decisions based upon those. There is no way you can be a TRULY religious person and not have it affect your decisions.

and if those religious values contravene someone elses rights, youre okay with that??

[PJ_Soul]

theres no room for religion in politics. and if you make political decisions(for the nation) based on your religious views then you should not be in politics. and as you said. it matters to be honest and i think thats the biggest thing. oh and admitting when youre wrong.

I totally disagree with this. If you're a religious person and you have a set of values and morals that you try to follow, then you should absolutely make political decisions based upon those. There is no way you can be a TRULY religious person and not have it affect your decisions.

and if those religious values contravene someone elses rights, youre okay with that??

+1

[Cosmo]

theres no room for religion in politics. and if you make political decisions(for the nation) based on your religious views then you should not be in politics. and as you said. it matters to be honest and i think thats the biggest thing. oh and admitting when youre wrong.

I totally disagree with this. If you're a religious person and you have a set of values and morals that you try to follow, then you should absolutely make political decisions based upon those. There is no way you can be a TRULY religious person and not have it affect your decisions.

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In my view... our moral compass is not directed by our religious beiefs... it is (or SHOULD) be directed by our humanity. Our values are founded upon our being... not our beliefs. We should be making our decisions based upon whether they are the right thing to do... not because we are being watched by Jesus or God or whatever our religion if founded upon. We should base our decisions and actions on what is right... not to appease anyone... Including deities.

[javis el errante]

Bear with me guys...

I was raised as a Catholic, went to Catholic elementary school and Catholic highschool. Answering the question, to me Mormons are Christians. To the Catholic church, that is to say, from the Pope downwards, regarding that those below the pope are in the same wavelength, Mormons and all the rest Christians religions are not in fact religions, but cults, and I agree with that. However, the word Christian can be considered by two aspects, one to refer to people, "He is a Christian", and other to refer to deeds, "That's not a Christian thing to do". Therefore, even though Mormons perform deeds which may be considered as a Christian thing to do, I cannot regard Mormonism as a religion, more over, some deeds Mormons perform ARE NOT a Christian thing to do.

The difference between Catholics and the rest of the religious christian clubs is a bit vague. Catholicism is based on The Holy Trinity, God, Jesus and Holy Spirit, however, they are the same entity, and odd as it may be, when Jesus asked His Father, our God, forgiveness for our sins, he was in fact talking to himself . I always wondered why if Jesus was a Jew, why aren't we all Jews? Why the Old Testament is made of Jewish books? Remeber that all the main characters and heroes of the Old Testament are jews. And why did the other Jews turn on him, since it was the Son of God? Why did the sell Jesus to the Romans? And who was the Roman Emperor who some years later said "tear those fucking statues down, we are turning into Christianism", and why?

The Catholic church only considers Judaism, Islam and Buddhism religions. The rest of the Christian divisions are considered cults. They only share with catholicism God and Jesus. Some don't believe in the Holy Spirit, some do; some others don't believe in Virgin Mary and other Saints, some do. Some only believe in God, Jesus and angels. Many don't acknowledge the apostles. Some take inot account the New Testament, some only the Old Testament (the jewish part of the Bible, but they're Christians, not Jews). So, there are a lot to go round, so you can choose the one that suits you the most, so, in that trend of thought, it kinda looks like a club, not a religion.

By the way, the Catholic church doesn't regards Protestantism, Lutheranism, Anglicanism, Baptism, Presbiterianism, and all the rest of the -isms I'm forgetting as religions, they are considred cults. When Henry VIII couldn't have children he requested the Pope to grant him the chance to divorce his wife, the Pope said "WTF? No way!", so Henry started his own religion. Then Martin Luther, who was quite well off, came along and said that the path to salvation was one of faith, and faith only, no good deeds or money, things that Roman church needed.

As I said, I was raised a Catholic, and OMG, that shit is crazy. All religions are crazy. After learning how to turn the other cheek, embrace the neighbour, love the neighbour, help the poor, help those in need, and all the rest, it was shocking to see two girls of the senior year being expelled from school because they got pregnant, something clicked in my mind, something felt wrong, I mean, if Jesus was in love with prostitute and had a girl with her, out of wedlock, why this 17-year-old girls couldn't? Catholicism is some crazy shit, but Mormonism takes all the prizes... is it Kola or Kolob the asteroid were this guy lives? or is it V-612? Yes, Mormons perform some good deeds, ask an african-american person, a latino, a gay person... Racism, discrimination, very Christian things to do...

check this videos about this so called christians, they are fun, and interesting... thanks to Bill Maher

this one have some explanations about what is being discussed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKqqGX0DEMM

this is from the show on April 27
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp8jbnzrCDU

this is from the show on May 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NLlAKKdTtY

and this one is from last Friday
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6L1_932Vx0

[PJ_Soul]

Bear with me guys...

I was raised as a Catholic, went to Catholic elementary school and Catholic highschool. Answering the question, to me Mormons are Christians. To the Catholic church, that is to say, from the Pope downwards, regarding that those below the pope are in the same wavelength, Mormons and all the rest Christians religions are not in fact religions, but cults, and I agree with that. However, the word Christian can be considered by two aspects, one to refer to people, "He is a Christian", and other to refer to deeds, "That's not a Christian thing to do". Therefore, even though Mormons perform deeds which may be considered as a Christian thing to do, I cannot regard Mormonism as a religion, more over, some deeds Mormons perform ARE NOT a Christian thing to do.

The difference between Catholics and the rest of the religious christian clubs is a bit vague. Catholicism is based on The Holy Trinity, God, Jesus and Holy Spirit, however, they are the same entity, and odd as it may be, when Jesus asked His Father, our God, forgiveness for our sins, he was in fact talking to himself . I always wondered why if Jesus was a Jew, why aren't we all Jews? Why the Old Testament is made of Jewish books? Remeber that all the main characters and heroes of the Old Testament are jews. And why did the other Jews turn on him, since it was the Son of God? Why did the sell Jesus to the Romans? And who was the Roman Emperor who some years later said "tear those fucking statues down, we are turning into Christianism", and why?

The Catholic church only considers Judaism, Islam and Buddhism religions. The rest of the Christian divisions are considered cults. They only share with catholicism God and Jesus. Some don't believe in the Holy Spirit, some do; some others don't believe in Virgin Mary and other Saints, some do. Some only believe in God, Jesus and angels. Many don't acknowledge the apostles. Some take inot account the New Testament, some only the Old Testament (the jewish part of the Bible, but they're Christians, not Jews). So, there are a lot to go round, so you can choose the one that suits you the most, so, in that trend of thought, it kinda looks like a club, not a religion.

By the way, the Catholic church doesn't regards Protestantism, Lutheranism, Anglicanism, Baptism, Presbiterianism, and all the rest of the -isms I'm forgetting as religions, they are considred cults. When Henry VIII couldn't have children he requested the Pope to grant him the chance to divorce his wife, the Pope said "WTF? No way!", so Henry started his own religion. Then Martin Luther, who was quite well off, came along and said that the path to salvation was one of faith, and faith only, no good deeds or money, things that Roman church needed.

As I said, I was raised a Catholic, and OMG, that shit is crazy. All religions are crazy. After learning how to turn the other cheek, embrace the neighbour, love the neighbour, help the poor, help those in need, and all the rest, it was shocking to see two girls of the senior year being expelled from school because they got pregnant, something clicked in my mind, something felt wrong, I mean, if Jesus was in love with prostitute and had a girl with her, out of wedlock, why this 17-year-old girls couldn't? Catholicism is some crazy shit, but Mormonism takes all the prizes... is it Kola or Kolob the asteroid were this guy lives? or is it V-612? Yes, Mormons perform some good deeds, ask an african-american person, a latino, a gay person... Racism, discrimination, very Christian things to do...

check this videos about this so called christians, they are fun, and interesting... thanks to Bill Maher

this one have some explanations about what is being discussed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKqqGX0DEMM

this is from the show on April 27
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp8jbnzrCDU

this is from the show on May 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NLlAKKdTtY

and this one is from last Friday
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6L1_932Vx0

As far as I know, the Jews threw Jesus under the bus because he realized that organized religion was total bullshit, and spoke against the politics of the Jewish establishment. So Jesus really left the Jewish faith and spoke against it as an organized religion (not to mention that whole "I'm the son of God thing" - pretty sure most of the Jews just looked at him the same way we looked at David Koresh, only more charismatic and less evil), threatening all the dudes who got their power through that establishment.... Which leads me to believe that Jesus must be rolling in his grave over "Christianity" and the way it developed in his name, since organized Christianity flies in the face of so many of the things that Jesus actually preached, and I think it's just awful how people have managed to warp his message since he died and pin his name to all of it, because as an Atheist, I'm all for a message against organized religions. I'm pretty sure that if Jesus could come back to life he's shit his pants once he learned what the Catholic Church was all about!! ... Though I wonder if he'd change his mind if the Pope handed him a statement of the holdings of the Vatican Bank, because I'm pretty sure Jesus would have to get a pretty penny out of that assuming he got a good lawyer.

[javis el errante]

As far as I know, the Jews threw Jesus under the bus because he realized that organized religion was total bullshit, and spoke against the politics of the Jewish establishment. So Jesus really left the Jewish faith and spoke against it as an organized religion (not to mention that whole "I'm the son of God thing" - pretty sure most of the Jews just looked at him the same way we looked at David Koresh, only more charismatic and less evil), threatening all the dudes who got their power through that establishment.... Which leads me to believe that Jesus must be rolling in his grave over "Christianity" and the way it developed in his name, since organized Christianity flies in the face of so many of the things that Jesus actually preached, and I think it's just awful how people have managed to warp his message since he died and pin his name to all of it, because as an Atheist, I'm all for a message against organized religions. I'm pretty sure that if Jesus could come back to life he's shit his pants once he learned what the Catholic Church was all about!! ... Though I wonder if he'd change his mind if the Pope handed him a statement of the holdings of the Vatican Bank, because I'm pretty sure Jesus would have to get a pretty penny out of that assuming he got a good lawyer.

I totally agree, how did I miss the point that Jesus left the ultimate commandment: love your neighbour as much as yourself! That's basic, and throws all religious hierarchy and seniority out of the window, which eventually is bad for business. By the way, I also agree with the idea that Jesus must collect every single penny made out of religion, I mean, there are some copyright and royalties issues at stake. Did you have fun with the videos? I can't stop laughing: "Always the bride, never the bride's maid"...

here's a few more

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao_PdmER ... re=related

The Mass Delusion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95iRvZOt ... re=related

Best moment in Real Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lse3J6Lk ... re=related

[notforconsumption]

The Catholic church only considers Judaism, Islam and Buddhism religions. The rest of the Christian divisions are considered cults.

I'm pretty sure they don't consider the Orthodox Church as a cult.

[ONCE DEVIDED]

theres no room for religion in politics. and if you make political decisions(for the nation) based on your religious views then you should not be in politics. and as you said. it matters to be honest and i think thats the biggest thing. oh and admitting when youre wrong.

I totally disagree with this. If you're a religious person and you have a set of values and morals that you try to follow, then you should absolutely make political decisions based upon those. There is no way you can be a TRULY religious person and not have it affect your decisions.

And heres the reason religion should play no part in politics
There is no proof of gods existence, only your belief in that existence
And why should my life be affected by something like your beliefs
Religion is against scientists and doctors trying to find a cure for my daughters condition
Religion is against my neighbors being able to legally commit to each other because they both have penis's
Religion has no right to tell me what to do

I have a set of morals I try to follow as well, probably not far from your own. But religion pays no part in that


Religion has no part to play in

[kenny olav]

Bottom line... does it really matter?
My view is that if someone has to prove how much of a 'better Christian' they are than others... does that act itself make them less of Christian?
Who cares if someone like Mitt Romney is a Mormon or a Christian... what matters is his character. If you can look beyond his acts of taking over companies and cutting them up and selling off the pieces, leaving many American workers striped of the pensions they were depending upon to retire... that's your call. To me, it doesn't matter if he is a Mormon or Christian or Jew or Atheist... what matters to me is his character... or lack thereof.

Yep. I do find it funny through that a lot of people I know who are Baptists are convinced Obama is a secret Muslim even though he professes Christianity yet they will vote for Romney even though they consider Mormonism to be a cult.

The whole thing is so insane it is fascinating.

It is fascinating, and kinda funny, and kinda maddening. How can someone believe that anyone can be a "secret Muslm"? How can anyone sincerely be a Muslim and claim not to be? He would then have to be a pretend Muslim pretending to be a Christian. It's just nuts.

It does however make sense to theorize that Obama is a secret atheist, and same thing could easily be true of Mitt Romney, George W. Bush, or just about any politician. They're professional liars. I don't think the majority of politicians actually believe in any of the religions they say they believe in. They say what needs to be said to get people to trust them.

[know1]

And heres the reason religion should play no part in politics
There is no proof of gods existence, only your belief in that existence
And why should my life be affected by something like your beliefs
Religion is against scientists and doctors trying to find a cure for my daughters condition
Religion is against my neighbors being able to legally commit to each other because they both have penis's
Religion has no right to tell me what to do

I have a set of morals I try to follow as well, probably not far from your own. But religion pays no part in that


Religion has no part to play in

Wow - generalize much??

There are so many anti-religious people on this board that really have no clue what religion is. It's pretty closed minded, really. Sure - there are SOME religions that do some of the things you say, but there are plenty of others that do not.

[pandora]

Seems religion provides a positivity in and of itself for many people.

[javis el errante]

The Catholic church only considers Judaism, Islam and Buddhism religions. The rest of the Christian divisions are considered cults.

I'm pretty sure they don't consider the Orthodox Church as a cult.

you mean the Orthodox Catholic Church?

[PJ_Soul]

As far as I know, the Jews threw Jesus under the bus because he realized that organized religion was total bullshit, and spoke against the politics of the Jewish establishment. So Jesus really left the Jewish faith and spoke against it as an organized religion (not to mention that whole "I'm the son of God thing" - pretty sure most of the Jews just looked at him the same way we looked at David Koresh, only more charismatic and less evil), threatening all the dudes who got their power through that establishment.... Which leads me to believe that Jesus must be rolling in his grave over "Christianity" and the way it developed in his name, since organized Christianity flies in the face of so many of the things that Jesus actually preached, and I think it's just awful how people have managed to warp his message since he died and pin his name to all of it, because as an Atheist, I'm all for a message against organized religions. I'm pretty sure that if Jesus could come back to life he's shit his pants once he learned what the Catholic Church was all about!! ... Though I wonder if he'd change his mind if the Pope handed him a statement of the holdings of the Vatican Bank, because I'm pretty sure Jesus would have to get a pretty penny out of that assuming he got a good lawyer.

I totally agree, how did I miss the point that Jesus left the ultimate commandment: love your neighbour as much as yourself! That's basic, and throws all religious hierarchy and seniority out of the window, which eventually is bad for business. By the way, I also agree with the idea that Jesus must collect every single penny made out of religion, I mean, there are some copyright and royalties issues at stake. Did you have fun with the videos? I can't stop laughing: "Always the bride, never the bride's maid"...

here's a few more

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao_PdmER ... re=related

The Mass Delusion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95iRvZOt ... re=related

Best moment in Real Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lse3J6Lk ... re=related

Bill Maher is one of my heros! "Ghandi was so fucking Christian he was Hindu."