Greyhound Bus Cannibal rehabilitated after 4 years?

[fife]

i have a question. a couple actually.

1. does vince have a background of crazy bullshit?
2. how can a mental health expert know when someone mentally fucked is for real or jerkin around with the system knowing how to play the system?
3. will vince be wearing a bullet proof vest when strolling down the sidewalks in downtown what have you, canada?
4. and finally... anyone got any pictures of this dude so we can check him out?


i keep coming back to this thread even after i excused myself. i am a dick

1)this is the first report of any crime or behavour by Li.

2)mental health worker ( i know quite alot of them in my line of work) are trained to know different areas in dealing with mental health but the fact of the matter is that there is not just one person who makes thsi decision. There are teams of different specialists who deal with the same person.

3) no one knows if he will be wearing a bullet proof vest.

4) can't help you with a picture but don't worry I don't think he will be in your area anytime soon

[Byrnzie]

I stand by my assertion... With no facts to back it up.

Gotchya.

Opinions....aren't they just great?

[Hugh Freaking Dillon]

Non-enlightened buffoon cannot resist.

Do people seriously think this dude has any chance of rehabilitation (or even desreve it for that matter)? Fuk's sakes, man. Seriously? I don't give a shit how many doctors and social workers are clapping their hands and nodding approvingly at each other over the progress they think they have made with this fuking moron. He's beyond rehabilitation.

"Let them eat cake!" Out of touch with reality.

For every 'successful' rehabilitation, there are countless failures that have spawned pain and misery on people who were simply placed in harm's way by idiots with diplomas. What weight bears on the minds of enlightened social working know-it-alls, parole boards, and wet tissue wristed judges after they discover their missentenced, rehabilitated and released convict has gone and raped/killed/brutalized an innocent person/family?

Some people have it figured out: Canada is fucked up with how far we've gone to protect criminals' rights. Sadly, some posts on here reflect more empathy towards the creep instead of the proper amount of sensitivity to the poor chap who he turned into Mr. Potato Head.

your point is moot since you called him a criminal. he is not. the defense AND the prosecution agree on this.

[Thirty Bills Unpaid]

I stand by my assertion... With no facts to back it up.

Gotchya.

Opinions....aren't they just great?

I have read several of yours Byrnzie. And, if you are going to quote me... quote me in the proper context. There was a little more to what I said than the cut and paste job you've presented.

Are you suggesting my opinion bears no merit? Or are you just taking a snide shot at me?

[Hugh Freaking Dillon]

I am just incredibly stupified that people are comparing someone who is mentally ill to that of someone who is a repeat criminal with no mental illness background.

that's like comparing someone with cancer to that of someone who's 400 pounds because they eat at McDonald's every day.

1) Vince Li is making no excuses. He actually just released an interview and he was quoted as saying that he thinks it would have been justified for the RCMP to shoot and kill him on the bus. He believes he does not deserve freedom, that he does not deserve to be alive.
2) he is NOT a criminal. he was found NOT CRIMINALLY RESPONSIBLE BY JOINT RECOMMENDATION BY THE CROWN AND THE DEFENSE.
3) the justice system does not, NOR SHOULD IT, govern its decisions of parole or not based on the feelings of those left to mourn. just put the family on the fucking jury if you want to go down that road.
4) Vince Li is also a victim.
5) one of his doctors said he'd be more than confident to have him over to his house to be with his family. does that sound like a guy who is afraid Li will reoffend?
6) he is NOT getting released? you people are talking like he's headed to Disney for vacation. Yes, this is the first step towards EVENTUAL freedom. this guy ain't no fucking ninja. he's not going to wait for this spot and take down his nurse and armed guard and then flee into downtown Selkirk and bite someone's nose off.

people need to really understand that there is complete difference between mental illness and being a fucking scumbag. there are drugs to help the mentally ill. if there were drugs for being an homicidal asshole, our prisons would be empty.

[Hugh Freaking Dillon]

for chadwick:

[Thirty Bills Unpaid]

I am just incredibly stupified that people are comparing someone who is mentally ill to that of someone who is a repeat criminal with no mental illness background.

that's like comparing someone with cancer to that of someone who's 400 pounds because they eat at McDonald's every day.

1) Vince Li is making no excuses. He actually just released an interview and he was quoted as saying that he thinks it would have been justified for the RCMP to shoot and kill him on the bus. He believes he does not deserve freedom, that he does not deserve to be alive.
2) he is NOT a criminal. he was found NOT CRIMINALLY RESPONSIBLE BY JOINT RECOMMENDATION BY THE CROWN AND THE DEFENSE.
3) the justice system does not, NOR SHOULD IT, govern its decisions of parole or not based on the feelings of those left to mourn. just put the family on the fucking jury if you want to go down that road.
4) Vince Li is also a victim.
5) one of his doctors said he'd be more than confident to have him over to his house to be with his family. does that sound like a guy who is afraid Li will reoffend?
6) he is NOT getting released? you people are talking like he's headed to Disney for vacation. Yes, this is the first step towards EVENTUAL freedom. this guy ain't no fucking ninja. he's not going to wait for this spot and take down his nurse and armed guard and then flee into downtown Selkirk and bite someone's nose off.

people need to really understand that there is complete difference between mental illness and being a fucking scumbag. there are drugs to help the mentally ill. if there were drugs for being an homicidal asshole, our prisons would be empty.

Don't be stupified, Hugh. And yes, we get it- you feel sorry for Li (you referred to him as a victim in your rant). While defending Li, you fail to even once pay a small token of reverence for Tim McLean. Guys like me talk for him. Whether right or wrong... we are polarized on issues such as this: you lean much more to criminal's rights than I ever could.

Tim McLean was a victim of a crime. Li perpetrated it. It's not that hard to get your head around is it? Let the legal beagles wrangle with terminology as they navigate their way through their trial. Let other people call a spade a spade. The formalities of the courts need not apply here and if they do... count me out.

[Byrnzie]

I stand by my assertion... With no facts to back it up.

Gotchya.

Opinions....aren't they just great?

I have read several of yours Byrnzie. And, if you are going to quote me... quote me in the proper context. There was a little more to what I said than the cut and paste job you've presented.

Are you suggesting my opinion bears no merit? Or are you just taking a snide shot at me?

I didn't quote you. I quoted 'keeponrockin'.

[Hugh Freaking Dillon]

Don't be stupified, Hugh. And yes, we get it- you feel sorry for Li (you referred to him as a victim in your rant). While defending Li, you fail to even once pay a small token of reverence for Tim McLean. Guys like me talk for him. Whether right or wrong... we are polarized on issues such as this: you lean much more to criminal's rights than I ever could.

Tim McLean was a victim of a crime. Li perpetrated it. It's not that hard to get your head around is it? Let the legal beagles wrangle with terminology as they navigate their way through their trial. Let other people call a spade a spade. The formalities of the courts need not apply here and if they do... count me out.

what you fail to understand is that I don't lean to criminal's rights, I lean to human rights. I actually believe we should be tougher on crime, especially violent ones.

I'LL SAY THIS ONE MORE TIME SO YOU CAN GET IT: VINCE LI IS NOT A CONVICTED CRIMINAL. HE IS ILL.

I mentioned Tim Mclean in my first few posts in this thread, along with my near nervous breakdown 4 years ago when this happened, feeling for Tim Mclean and his family, hearing the horrifying details of what went on not 20 miles from my house, but I won't get wrangled away from the issue of the thread, and that is should or should not Vince Li be given some basic human rights as he improves his mental condition.

put yourself on a pedestal if you must with your "guys like me speak for the victim"-what a joke. sometimes people need to take the unpopular task of speaking for all victims, not just the obvious ones.

make no mistake. Tim Mclean is a victim, along with all who knew and loved him. Vince Li is a victim. Along with all that know and love him.

[Thirty Bills Unpaid]

Don't be stupified, Hugh. And yes, we get it- you feel sorry for Li (you referred to him as a victim in your rant). While defending Li, you fail to even once pay a small token of reverence for Tim McLean. Guys like me talk for him. Whether right or wrong... we are polarized on issues such as this: you lean much more to criminal's rights than I ever could.

Tim McLean was a victim of a crime. Li perpetrated it. It's not that hard to get your head around is it? Let the legal beagles wrangle with terminology as they navigate their way through their trial. Let other people call a spade a spade. The formalities of the courts need not apply here and if they do... count me out.

what you fail to understand is that I don't lean to criminal's rights, I lean to human rights. I actually believe we should be tougher on crime, especially violent ones.

I'LL SAY THIS ONE MORE TIME SO YOU CAN GET IT: VINCE LI IS NOT A CONVICTED CRIMINAL. HE IS ILL.

I mentioned Tim Mclean in my first few posts in this thread, along with my near nervous breakdown 4 years ago when this happened, feeling for Tim Mclean and his family, hearing the horrifying details of what went on not 20 miles from my house, but I won't get wrangled away from the issue of the thread, and that is should or should not Vince Li be given some basic human rights as he improves his mental condition.

put yourself on a pedestal if you must with your "guys like me speak for the victim"-what a joke. sometimes people need to take the unpopular task of speaking for all victims, not just the obvious ones.

make no mistake. Tim Mclean is a victim, along with all who knew and loved him. Vince Li is a victim. Along with all that know and love him.

Holy crap, man. I get your bolded emphasis. It's not too complex a point- it's just one I'm not going to buy into. You commit a crime... you are a criminal: drunk, high, angry, ill, whatever. Dismiss Li's heinous act any way you want (even if your dismissal is so because the lawyers and judges said), but I'm not prepared to do so.

You talk about jumping up on pedestals, yet you've perched yourself on the highest one with your claims of nervous breakdowns over your angst, how humanitarian you are, and how you've assumed the noble and difficult position to take while losers like me are just morons (I stupified you earlier!)... while at the same time mocking my position that happens to be contrary to yours. And you talk about jokes? Jeez, man. Seriously.

I'm not, nor never will agree with you on this one. What I can say is that you are entitled to your position... so enjoy it.

[know1]

It's interesting to witness the two current threads on this board discussing the harshness....or lack thereof....of crime sentences in some high profile cases.

For one, I think the sentence in the voyeur case was too much, but here I side with those who don't think he should be taking visits outside of the place where he is held.

[chadwick]

for chadwick:

he does seem to be feeling something in that photo. what that is i have no idea.

thank you, hugh

[pandora]

I have experienced Paranoid Schizophrenia first hand,
though the violence was not at this level of course.
In some cases not directed at others.

We know there is no cure only control with meds.
The nature of the disease lends to patients not wanting to take their meds due to
paranoia and breeches with reality,
so a continual controlled environment is often required depending on severity.

I have also seen relapses while on meds requiring reevaluation and return
to hospitalization. Because this is possible and perhaps likely in this case,
and because of the level of past violence towards humanity, this man should stay locked
up with no chance of freedom.
I feel.... a better safe than sorry is in order with the lives of others at stake.

[MayDay10]

I am just incredibly stupified that people are comparing someone who is mentally ill to that of someone who is a repeat criminal with no mental illness background.

that's like comparing someone with cancer to that of someone who's 400 pounds because they eat at McDonald's every day.

1) Vince Li is making no excuses. He actually just released an interview and he was quoted as saying that he thinks it would have been justified for the RCMP to shoot and kill him on the bus. He believes he does not deserve freedom, that he does not deserve to be alive.
2) he is NOT a criminal. he was found NOT CRIMINALLY RESPONSIBLE BY JOINT RECOMMENDATION BY THE CROWN AND THE DEFENSE.
3) the justice system does not, NOR SHOULD IT, govern its decisions of parole or not based on the feelings of those left to mourn. just put the family on the fucking jury if you want to go down that road.
4) Vince Li is also a victim.
5) one of his doctors said he'd be more than confident to have him over to his house to be with his family. does that sound like a guy who is afraid Li will reoffend?
6) he is NOT getting released? you people are talking like he's headed to Disney for vacation. Yes, this is the first step towards EVENTUAL freedom. this guy ain't no fucking ninja. he's not going to wait for this spot and take down his nurse and armed guard and then flee into downtown Selkirk and bite someone's nose off.

people need to really understand that there is complete difference between mental illness and being a fucking scumbag. there are drugs to help the mentally ill. if there were drugs for being an homicidal asshole, our prisons would be empty.

I find myself agreeing with you on almost everything. No different here.

[lukin2006]

In Canada our justice system does not operate the way the US does ( at least no yet )...and I prefer it that way. I think for the most part the system works well...we have a relatively safe country, no where I'm really afraid to go in this country...now just across the river in Detroit there are probably more places in all of that city that's more dangerous than all of Canada. So I find it kind of amusing when Americans question our justice system when it appears our system of rehabilitation for the most part works well. Do we have violent and dangerous criminals? Yes...most societies probably do. Is our system perfect? No. But I know I Canada is a safer country.

As for Pandora I thought the Bible and Christianity was all about forgiveness and second chances...especially in this case when it's obvious he was extremely mentally ill at the time. He did not know what he was doing, he was an immigrant to this country, which probably made it harder to access the help he needed...now that he's getting help I trust his Doctors will do the right thing for all involved...and he may never get out...and if he does he will likely be heavily supervised for life...as for now he is probably years away from re-entering society.

People need to understand we rarely keep people in jail for life...life is usually reserved for the most heinous criminals. Yet we have a relatively safe country and I never fear going anywhere.