Water guns banned, REAL guns, OK....

[Hugh Freaking Dillon]

If one chooses not to carry a gun for 'self defense' and may use reason or avoidance to get out of a 'situation', one is 'allowing' crime to happen, one is 'enabling' crime - causing it, one does not have empathy with the victims of crime but rather the criminal, etc.

Wow... even for the MT, this is quite low.

I'm still in shock over that.

[goingtoverona]

To brian, I agree with you on the being against violence, but if someone broke into my house to harm me or my family, what do you suggest to counter that? hope that I don't get killed? I get what point you're trying to make I just don't get how you would accomplish it, also, when I buy a gun, it's not to buy the biggest most deadly gun for if I have to shoot someone, it's what I think I would enjoy shooting at the range. Im not sure if you're saying people shouldn't have guns at all or not, but there are hundreds of thousands of people that own guns that have no intent on hurting anyone or committing crimes, are you saying these people shouldn't be allowed to have guns because others commit crimes with guns? If so a similar argument could be made for banning alcohol and automobiles.
To hugh, the point im trying to make is that with or without carry conceal laws, criminals are still going to commit crimes with guns, so making a law that takes away a persons right to carry a gun makes that person vulnerable and makes them a criminal if they did carry a gun for protection. So given the choice, with armed criminals committing crimes against people, id rather be able to defend myself against that rather than hope I don't get killed for not trying to defend myself.

[Hugh Freaking Dillon]

To hugh, the point im trying to make is that with or without carry conceal laws, criminals are still going to commit crimes with guns, so making a law that takes away a persons right to carry a gun makes that person vulnerable and makes them a criminal if they did carry a gun for protection. So given the choice, with armed criminals committing crimes against people, id rather be able to defend myself against that rather than hope I don't get killed for not trying to defend myself.

well then I guess we should make machine guns legal for citizens to carry because criminals have them too.

[goingtoverona]

Now you're starting to make some sense.

[USARAY]

the anti gun folk are missing the point gun proponents are saying take some responsibility
instead of taking crime as a matter of fact try fighting back being proactive in a situation
then we prevent crime from continuing
every time a criminal is successful running into no conflict they grow more confident they will continue until they are caught or killed it's a way of life feeding off the innocent
no one is saying anybody has to own a gun but gun owners are proactive and will protect themselves and loved ones and prevent future crime those who are against guns are doing nothing but complaining about crime
each time they submit they allow that criminal to victimize hundreds of others

[JonnyPistachio]

a whimperer huh? That was rude. Are you even old enough to own a gun? I thought you had to be at least 18.

I've had several guns pointed at me. Three of us were robbed in the front yard of my friends house by three young men. As the robbers ran off, my friends roommate came out of the house with some kind of automatic hardcore looking firearm. I was so glad they ran off because if that roommate woldve come out 10 seconds earlier, it wouldve been like the OK Coral.

I've had one go off -- a shotgun -- missed my head by a few inches. Boy was I scared. It was loud. And immediately I thought to myself, "that would've been quick" I would have not had much reaction time to avoid being shot. The triggerman? my friend: a cop. haha, yes, I am laughing now, and yes, he is a cop.

So, if you ask what's the WORST moment I can come up with? It would be if I owned a gun and it got in the wrong hands. If we're using our imagination here -- it would be if I owned a gun and some kid stole it somehow and used to it kill someone.

what are you the word police and yeah over 18 how about you mr nut
yeah thats great those guys got away to rob other folk maybe beat up some sweet old couple or something even worse wtf you are as bad as the criminals you allow the crimes to happen cause you are scared shitless
your worst case that kid who stole your gun and used it he would have found a gun no problem
so that would be worse than watching your loved one die or worse wtf
i'm not getting that no wonder women these days think they are on their own starting to carry their own guns

Ok, I think you've watched too many Steven Seagal movies. Actually I change my response to your question about the worst possible scenario i could think of. My new answer is you. You are the scariest scenario I can think of. Your paranoia is really showing through...again. You automatically jumped to the conclusions that our assailants skipped off into the fucking sunset and beat up an old couple? You are a piece of work dude. Quite an imagination. You shouldve just asked what happened instead of making yourself look foolish.

The three men that robbed me and my three friends that day ran off into an alley. Within minutes, police were on every corner and a helicopter was overhead. They were caught and I saw their conviction go through. two of them got 12 years, the third got a reduced sentence. So, no, they didnt go off and beat up an old couple, geesh. I let the authorities...you know..the professionals, handle the situation, and everyone came out fine.

In addition, as i stated, a gun wouldve made this situation FAR worse. We were surrounded and didn't know who had weapons. I thought about going after the main assailant as the gun was pointed at my temple, but I kept cool. Has i attacked him, there was a good chance one of the other two criminals would've shot my friends.

[JonnyPistachio]

each time they submit they allow that criminal to victimize hundreds of others

Dude your overdramatizations are hilarious!

[catefrances]

each time they submit they allow that criminal to victimize hundreds of others

Dude your overdramatizations are hilarious!

agree. but dont you see? this is how they get people to feel they need to arm themselves.. by histrionics. the only person who victimises people is the assailant.

[catefrances]

If one chooses not to carry a gun for 'self defense' and may use reason or avoidance to get out of a 'situation', one is 'allowing' crime to happen, one is 'enabling' crime - causing it, one does not have empathy with the victims of crime but rather the criminal, etc.

Wow... even for the MT, this is quite low.

I'm still in shock over that.

but you cant be surprised it turned that way, right?

[unsung]

that's the POINT. make it illegal for anyone but police to have one.

Thankfully our Founding Fathers had the foresight to write the 2nd Amendment to protect us from our own General Government and nut job globalists.

[pandora]

each time they submit they allow that criminal to victimize hundreds of others

Dude your overdramatizations are hilarious!

really Jonny? that is kind of rude you normally aren't so rude....

Do you think criminals only strike once? or do you think
they continue until they are stopped one way or another?

[pandora]

each time they submit they allow that criminal to victimize hundreds of others

Dude your overdramatizations are hilarious!

agree. but dont you see? this is how they get people to feel they need to arm themselves.. by histrionics. the only person who victimises people is the assailant.

who is they?

[pandora]

Ok, I think you've watched too many Steven Seagal movies. Actually I change my response to your question about the worst possible scenario i could think of. My new answer is you. You are the scariest scenario I can think of. Your paranoia is really showing through...again. You automatically jumped to the conclusions that our assailants skipped off into the fucking sunset and beat up an old couple? You are a piece of work dude. Quite an imagination. You shouldve just asked what happened instead of making yourself look foolish.

The three men that robbed me and my three friends that day ran off into an alley. Within minutes, police were on every corner and a helicopter was overhead. They were caught and I saw their conviction go through. two of them got 12 years, the third got a reduced sentence. So, no, they didnt go off and beat up an old couple, geesh. I let the authorities...you know..the professionals, handle the situation, and everyone came out fine.

In addition, as i stated, a gun wouldve made this situation FAR worse. We were surrounded and didn't know who had weapons. I thought about going after the main assailant as the gun was pointed at my temple, but I kept cool. Has i attacked him, there was a good chance one of the other two criminals would've shot my friends.

How many get away though Jonny?
The police are not stopping crime, they can not.
How many people had these 3 victimized already? if not caught, which is much more likely
scenario, how many more would be terrorized?
What about the next time Jonny? When is it ok for you to protect yourself?
Perhaps you should carry mace.

[pandora]

If one chooses not to carry a gun for 'self defense' and may use reason or avoidance to get out of a 'situation', one is 'allowing' crime to happen, one is 'enabling' crime - causing it, one does not have empathy with the victims of crime but rather the criminal, etc.

Wow... even for the MT, this is quite low.

I'm still in shock over that.

but you cant be surprised it turned that way, right?

It is a logical conclusion, the one holding the gun has the upper hand in a situation.
Those who are proactive and own a gun realize this is their fighting chance,
as the case of my neighbor and the home invasion. If he had not had a gun,
his wife and kids would have been terrorized or worse.
He also saved many future victims with his bravery.
Can anyone argue that?

[brianlux]

each time they submit they allow that criminal to victimize hundreds of others

Dude your overdramatizations are hilarious!

really Jonny? that is kind of rude you normally aren't so rude....

Do you think criminals only strike once? or do you think
they continue until they are stopped one way or another?

Speaking of rude, what about that bullshit statement about people like me "allowing" crime to happen?

And while you're at it, please tell again about that gun packin' Jesus of yours.