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Re: Chinese activist Chen Guangcheng

Postby PJ_Soul » Fri May 04, 2012 10:21 am

fife wrote:just read this. looks like he might be going to america after all.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/04/world/asi ... ?hpt=hp_t1

my question now is will people in similar situations also do the same thing and what will america do?

Hopefully grant them all asylum. I hope so... these people are fighting for human rights and freedoms - America is always going on about how they stand for those principals, so they should take in anyone who risks themselves for standing for those same values. Plus, it's nice to have people like that come to the US - people who will risk everything for such important principles. Seems like they're good influences to have around!
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Re: Chinese activist Chen Guangcheng

Postby PJ_Soul » Sat May 05, 2012 1:30 pm

Fears that he won't be able to leave now... again. :( Don't chicken out, US! Please save this man! He's one of the best ones!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... s-out.html
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Re: Chinese activist Chen Guangcheng

Postby PJ_Soul » Sat May 05, 2012 11:01 pm

.... and now he is coming... I think. The story keeps changing, not sure what to believe anymore! So I'll just wait until his plane lands at JFK.
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Re: Chinese activist Chen Guangcheng

Postby Byrnzie » Sat May 05, 2012 11:49 pm

PJ_Soul wrote:.... and now he is coming... I think. The story keeps changing, not sure what to believe anymore! So I'll just wait until his plane lands at JFK.


Maybe you should meet him at the airport and ask him if he's ever mistreated any animlas?
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Re: Chinese activist Chen Guangcheng

Postby PJ_Soul » Sun May 06, 2012 12:00 am

Byrnzie wrote:
PJ_Soul wrote:.... and now he is coming... I think. The story keeps changing, not sure what to believe anymore! So I'll just wait until his plane lands at JFK.


Maybe you should meet him at the airport and ask him if he's ever mistreated any animlas?

Why would you post that comment??
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Re: Chinese activist Chen Guangcheng

Postby Byrnzie » Sun May 06, 2012 12:38 am

PJ_Soul wrote:
Byrnzie wrote:
PJ_Soul wrote:.... and now he is coming... I think. The story keeps changing, not sure what to believe anymore! So I'll just wait until his plane lands at JFK.


Maybe you should meet him at the airport and ask him if he's ever mistreated any animlas?

Why would you post that comment??


Just teasing. :P
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Re: Chinese activist Chen Guangcheng

Postby PJ_Soul » Sun May 06, 2012 12:49 am

Byrnzie wrote:
PJ_Soul wrote:
Byrnzie wrote:
Maybe you should meet him at the airport and ask him if he's ever mistreated any animlas?

Why would you post that comment??


Just teasing. :P

Oh, okay. I thought you were being passive aggressive! ... and still do.
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Re: Chinese activist Chen Guangcheng

Postby PJ_Soul » Thu May 17, 2012 10:51 am

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Re: Chinese activist Chen Guangcheng

Postby fife » Thu May 17, 2012 12:18 pm

PJ_Soul wrote:Getting closer to a passport...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-18099656


Am I the only one who doesn't really think this is going to happen?

I can see something like some paperwork gone missing
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Re: Chinese activist Chen Guangcheng

Postby ONCE DEVIDED » Thu May 17, 2012 8:08 pm

When the US isn't violating anyone's rights their president may have the moral authority to brow beat another nation.
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Re: Chinese activist Chen Guangcheng

Postby fife » Fri May 18, 2012 7:24 am

ONCE DEVIDED wrote:When the US isn't violating anyone's rights their president may have the moral authority to brow beat another nation.


Can the same be said about every country?
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Re: Chinese activist Chen Guangcheng

Postby puremagic » Fri May 18, 2012 9:05 am

Here’s my problem with this case. No one speaks of the US policy known as the Mexico City Policy also known as, the Global Gag Rule.

I applaud Chen’s efforts, however, Chen’s not fighting China’s policy, he’s fighting a US imposed policy that undermines China’s family planning policy along with other countries around the world.

The Mexico City Policy was first imposed by the Reagan administration at the 1984 United Nations International Conference on Population in Mexico City. It was rescinded in 1993 by President Clinton, reinstated in 2001 by President George W. Bush, and once again rescinded by President Obama in 2009.

As part of the State Department’s 2013 fiscal budget, Congress reinstated the Global Gag Rule which is administered by USAID – see the implication.
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Re: Chinese activist Chen Guangcheng

Postby PJ_Soul » Fri May 18, 2012 9:07 am

ONCE DEVIDED wrote:When the US isn't violating anyone's rights their president may have the moral authority to brow beat another nation.

:fp: Obama isn't brow beating anyone in this case. Please get your facts before making such comments.
Also, that is a terrible attitude, even though no one's brow beating in this situation (Guangcheng is the one who escaped and went to the US Embassy and asked to leave China for America - American is just accommodating that; not brow beating IMO. Responding to the pleas of a man whose life is in danger, along with his family's, who chose to take refuge on American soil) ... Until America does some shit you want, they shouldn't work towards anything good ever? If every country had that attitude, the whole world would go to shit in about 3 minutes. Furthermore, China needs a bit of brow beating generally - what's going on in other countries is a separate issue.
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Re: Chinese activist Chen Guangcheng

Postby PJ_Soul » Fri May 18, 2012 9:13 am

puremagic wrote:Here’s my problem with this case. No one speaks of the US policy known as the Mexico City Policy also known as, the Global Gag Rule.

I applaud Chen’s efforts, however, Chen’s not fighting China’s policy, he’s fighting a US imposed policy that undermines China’s family planning policy along with other countries around the world.

The Mexico City Policy was first imposed by the Reagan administration at the 1984 United Nations International Conference on Population in Mexico City. It was rescinded in 1993 by President Clinton, reinstated in 2001 by President George W. Bush, and once again rescinded by President Obama in 2009.

As part of the State Department’s 2013 fiscal budget, Congress reinstated the Global Gag Rule which is administered by USAID – see the implication.

Is any of that the point? He wants to leave China now because he fears for his family's safety because he spoke against the Chinese government. What his opinions mean to you or what they mean when compared to some policy seem to be neither here nor there...
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Re: Chinese activist Chen Guangcheng

Postby puremagic » Fri May 18, 2012 1:07 pm

PJ_Soul wrote:
puremagic wrote:Here’s my problem with this case. No one speaks of the US policy known as the Mexico City Policy also known as, the Global Gag Rule.

I applaud Chen’s efforts, however, Chen’s not fighting China’s policy, he’s fighting a US imposed policy that undermines China’s family planning policy along with other countries around the world.

The Mexico City Policy was first imposed by the Reagan administration at the 1984 United Nations International Conference on Population in Mexico City. It was rescinded in 1993 by President Clinton, reinstated in 2001 by President George W. Bush, and once again rescinded by President Obama in 2009.

As part of the State Department’s 2013 fiscal budget, Congress reinstated the Global Gag Rule which is administered by USAID – see the implication.

Is any of that the point? He wants to leave China now because he fears for his family's safety because he spoke against the Chinese government. What his opinions mean to you or what they mean when compared to some policy seem to be neither here nor there...


He should have thought about that shit beforehand. Do you think Chen did not know that his life and that of his family would be in danger the moment he became a political activist and started speaking out against China’s family planning policy?

Your damn right it’s on point because it’s all about politics. You seem to forget how China’s human right policy always finds its way into any discussion of US/China relationships; yet, it always gets downplayed. Well there’s the reason why, the Mexico City Policy and whether you think it’s a factor or not - it’s a political reality. Here’s another political reality, China retained most-favorite-nation trade status even during and after the Tiananmen Square incident, with no human rights strings attached.

Chen and his family may get to leave China, but what started out as a political coup for the US has cost the U.S. some major negotiating points, now that Chen wants to leave with his family which would be in China’s best interest.
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