keychains in china (animal cruelty)

[chadwick]

I think there should be embargoes against China but instead they're everyone's favorite trading partner.Mkes me sick. The world could make China change. Just stop doing business with them until they start acting like decent human beings towards animals and each other (might be nice if they would stop supporting North Korea too, eh?).

thank you. add spain to your list for its bullfighting practices.

[whygohome]

I think there should be embargoes against China but instead they're everyone's favorite trading partner.Makes me sick. The world could make China change. Just stop doing business with them until they start acting like decent human beings towards animals and each other (might be nice if they would stop supporting North Korea too, eh?).

Well put. It is amazing to me: all this talk of socialism in the U.S., and yet we--THE AMERICAN CONSUMER--support a quasi-communist, environmentally destructive, human rights abusing, animal rights destroying nation like China to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars a year. But, the goods are cheap, and people in the U.S. purchase the goods due to the decline in real wages and the recession. Talk about a paradox (I use that word loosely here.)

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonchang ... n-the-u-s/

Apologize for the generalizations and the mini rant. Just upset.

[Smellyman]

Don't forget the US also blow up innocent people all around the world.....

[PJ_Soul]

Don't forget the US also blow up innocent people all around the world.....

Please don't derail thread. That is way off topic. Thanks!

[Smellyman]

Don't forget the US also blow up innocent people all around the world.....

Please don't derail thread. That is way off topic. Thanks!

just pointing out the hypocrisy.

but ok boss.

[PJ_Soul]

Don't forget the US also blow up innocent people all around the world.....

Please don't derail thread. That is way off topic. Thanks!

just pointing out the hypocrisy.

but ok boss.

Sorry, that did come off kind of bossy. I just pictured what that statement might get others talking about, and i just didn't want the thread to get locked! I caught your drift though.

[EmBleve]

I should have known better than to look at this thread. The things mentioned here nauseate me, literally, and are so wrong and disgusting on so many levels. I really and truly hate people sometimes.

[chadwick]

Don't forget the US also blow up innocent people all around the world.....

war is not the same as cramming turtles, fishes, and salamanders into rubber/plastic keychains. yes the united states government seems to enjoy a bit of war. again, it isn't the same thing, war and turtle, fish or salamander stuffed into keychains.

[Bronx Bombers]

Don't forget the US also blow up innocent people all around the world.....

Sounds like you're trying to justify this behavior because I cannot understand how this has anything at all to do with the barbaric treatment of animals by the Chinese people?

[Byrnzie]

Cruelty to living things in China? Really? You don't say.

That's a very smug comment. Are you suggesting that Americans have a right to get on their moral high horse with regards to any other country?

[Byrnzie]

Some Chinese mistreat animals, though the majority of people don't. There are also some places that are worse than others for such things - Guangzhou in the south is known for it's dog meat, and it's markets where you can buy cats and dogs for food. But If I'm not wrong, the famous market down there was closed down about ten years ago.
Still, in a lot of the big cities now keeping pets has become very popular. I think it's a bit of a stretch to say that 'the Chinese ' treat animals like shit. China is a country of over a billion people. Most people probably couldn't afford to have pets until fairly recently, so that may explain why generally China isn't known as an animal-loving nation.
One thing I am aware of is how most of the people I know with pets don't give their pet a name. I sometimes ask my students what their pets name is and they tell me they haven't given it a name. It's pretty weird. I think a lot of people here just regard animals as objects.

But yeah, fuck anyone who mistreats an animal. Though I've not seen anyone mistreat an animal here yet, and I've been here for four years.

[PJ_Soul]

Some Chinese mistreat animals, though the majority of people don't. There are also some places that are worse than others for such things - Guangzhou in the south is known for it's dog meat, and it's markets where you can buy cats and dogs for food. But If I'm not wrong, the famous market down there was closed down about ten years ago.
Still, in a lot of the big cities now keeping pets has become very popular. I think it's a bit of a stretch to say that 'the Chinese ' treat animals like shit. China is a country of over a billion people. Most people probably couldn't afford to have pets until fairly recently, so that may explain why generally China isn't known as an animal-loving nation.
One thing I am aware of is how most of the people I know with pets don't give their pet a name. I sometimes ask my students what their pets name is and they tell me they haven't given it a name. It's pretty weird. I think a lot of people here just regard animals as objects.

But yeah, fuck anyone who mistreats an animal. Though I've not seen anyone mistreat an animal here yet, and I've been here for four years.

Apparently another popular activity in those cities where pet ownership has grown is people buying expensive designer dogs as a display of their monetary wealth (a big focus in Chinese culture now... the biggest), and apparently one of these purchases don't cut it. It's common for them to throw their dog into the street once they either get sick of owning it or want to further display their wealth by buying another, yet more expensive designer dog. So what is going on now is that these poor dogs that are tossed into the street are often either picked up by unfit owners or for unsavory means (ie puppy mills), or just die miserable deaths in the streets.

And then, of course, there are all the stray non-designer dogs, who authorities just go out and kill with bats or collect for slaughter on a semi-regular basis - dog culls aren't uncommon in the cities. Here near where I live there is an area that is about 65% Chinese immigrants, and there is a massive rabbit infestation there now, because they all went through a phase where buying rabbits for pets got stylish... and then most of them would regret their choice (as many do who buy bunnies), and they all just released them into city parks, and the city was forced to do a rabbit cull. I was told all this by a friend of my mother's, who is from China and came to Canada to get the fuck out of her own country because she says their culture is going to ... the dogs. Badump-bum.

Many other Chinese who have left have said the same thing (it's a rather common subject around Vancouver because the Chinese immigrant population is massive, which has been creating some degree of culture clash given the significant incompatibility between Chinese and Western cultures, making the subject of the state of the Chinese culture a more common conversation, often being carried by certain Chinese people who are very unhappy about the direction it's taking (and that it is migrating to Chinese communities abroad). I know not very PC, but still true; don't shoot the messenger. It's a shame... a result, one would assume, of the good ol' cultural revolution, totalitarian "communist" government, population crisis, growth and normalization of corruption in government, business, and education, and the uncontrolled rapid push towards industrialization; they all seem to have combined to create something quite unfortunate as a whole).

[Smellyman]

Don't forget the US also blow up innocent people all around the world.....

Sounds like you're trying to justify this behavior because I cannot understand how this has anything at all to do with the barbaric treatment of animals by the Chinese people?

No. No my earlier post condemned it greatly. There isn't anything I hate more than animal cruelty and am a vegetarian for that reason.

I made the point of the US killing millions of innocent people around the world because of all the talk about sanctions to China. US and other "western" countries love to sit on their high horse and claim moral superiority when it is just not the case.

[PJ_Soul]

Don't forget the US also blow up innocent people all around the world.....

Sounds like you're trying to justify this behavior because I cannot understand how this has anything at all to do with the barbaric treatment of animals by the Chinese people?

No. No my earlier post condemned it greatly. There isn't anything I hate more than animal cruelty and am a vegetarian for that reason.

I made the point of the US killing millions of innocent people around the world because of all the talk about sanctions to China. US and other "western" countries love to sit on their high horse and claim moral superiority when it is just not the case.

Yeah, it's just that this is a thread about animal cruelty in China... We could all mention other bad shit that all kinds of other countries do, but I just don't understand what it has to do with this thread, because the people posting here aren't blowing up people all over the world - the U.S. isn't posting in this forum...

[Byrnzie]

I was told all this by a friend of my mother's, who is from China and came to Canada to get the fuck out of her own country because she says their culture is going to ... the dogs. Badump-bum.

...certain Chinese people who are very unhappy about the direction it's taking (and that it is migrating to Chinese communities abroad). I know not very PC, but still true; don't shoot the messenger. It's a shame... a result, one would assume, of the good ol' cultural revolution, totalitarian "communist" government, population crisis, growth and normalization of corruption in government, business, and education, and the uncontrolled rapid push towards industrialization; they all seem to have combined to create something quite unfortunate as a whole).

The Cultural Revolution ended in 1976. As for Chinese emigrating to escape a bad situation, I call bullshit. If any Chinese are leaving for this reason then it's a tiny minority who have probably run into trouble with the uthorities. But generally, the Chinese as a whole have it better now than they ever have before. There's probably more opportunity and money to be made here for them than there is in Vancouver. It's predeicted that China will have overtaken the U.S by the year 2020.
Also, you need to realise that the Chinese are a very patriotic people. This is not an oppressed society, despite what you may see on U.S, or Canadian t.v. People here more personal freedom here than anything I've seen in the West. Maybe not more political freedom, but certainly more personal freedom. I've never met anyone here in China who has expressed a desire to leave. The only people I know who have left are students who have gone abroad to study.