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Postby WaveCameCrashin » Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:55 am

Obama admin to use $8.3 billion “slush fund” to fake out seniors? Update: GAO auditors demand end to slush fund.


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How does Barack Obama keep from getting ousted by seniors who discover that their Medicare Advantage options for 2013 will be greatly reduced, if not eliminated altogether?  After all, ObamaCare’s $500 billion in cuts to the highly successful private-public partnership begin in 2013, assuming that the Supreme Court keeps the law in place this summer.  Those cuts are necessary to fund the Medicaid expansion that comes in 2014 to provide funding for coverage of many — but not all — of the currently uninsured.  Unfortunately for Obama, seniors would normally discover how badly ObamaCare has damaged their options in mid-October during the Medicare open-enrollment period for supplemental coverage, just a couple of weeks before voters have to go to the polls to select the new President, House, and one-third of the Senate.  Since seniors are the most reliable voting bloc in the US, this would prove disastrous for Team Obama.

How will they avoid that kind of electoral disaster?  Benjamin Sasse and Charles Hurt warn New York Post readers to expect an October non-surprise, thanks to an $8 billion slush fund that will allow the White House to postpone that day of reckoning for one year:

It’s hard to imagine a bigger electoral disaster for a president than seniors in crucial states like Florida, Pennsylvania and Ohio discovering that he’s taken away their beloved Medicare Advantage just weeks before an election.

This political ticking time bomb could become the biggest “October Surprise” in US political history.

But the administration’s devised a way to postpone the pain one more year, getting Obama past his last election; it plans to spend $8 billion to temporarily restore Medicare Advantage funds so that seniors in key markets don’t lose their trusted insurance program in the middle of Obama’s re-election bid.

The money is to come from funds that Health and Human Services is allowed to use for “demonstration projects.” But to make it legal, HHS has to pretend that it’s doing an “experiment” to study the effect of this money on the insurance market.

That is, to “study” what happens when the government doesn’t change anything but merely continues a program that’s been going on for years.

Obama can temporarily prop up Medicare Advantage long enough to get re-elected by exploiting an obscure bit of federal law. Under a 1967 statute, the HHS secretary can spend money without specific approval by Congress on “experiments” directly aimed at “increasing the efficiency and economy of health services.”

This is what happens when bureaucracies get to spend money without close Congressional oversight.  Certainly, the Congress that passed the 1967 statute didn’t foresee that a federal agency could aggregate $8 billion (about $1.24 billion in 1967 dollars, roughly) by itself for “experiments,” but the law along with the massive amounts of money appropriated to HHS makes this possible.  The money came from ObamaCare itself, thanks to Democrats who created a structure that allowed HHS to write all of the laws and spend money without much accountability for the way it will be used.

If HHS does do this, though, it will certainly be a demonstration project.  Democrats, including Obama, insisted that seniors and the disabled would have no problems with the Medicare Advantage cuts — that their choices would not be constricted in any practical sense, and that the pain would only be felt by the eeeeeeeeeeeevil insurers.  Using the slush funds to postpone those changes past the election will demonstrate that they have been lying all along — otherwise, why postpone the cuts?  Why not stay on schedule for the Great Leap Forward in American health care?

Update: Uh oh — the GAO just poked the White House and HHS in the eye over the “bonuses”:

In a rebuke to the Obama administration, government auditors are calling for the cancellation of an $8 billion Medicare program that congressional Republicans have criticized as a political ploy.

The nonpartisan Government Accountability Office says in a report to be released Monday that the $8.3 billion the administration has earmarked for quality bonuses to Medicare Advantage insurance plans would postpone the pain of cuts to the plans under the new health care law. Most of the money would go to plans rated merely average. …

GAO, the investigative agency of Congress, did not address GOP allegations that the bonuses are politically motivated. But, its report found the program highly unusual. It “dwarfs” all other Medicare pilots undertaken in nearly 20 years, the GAO said.

That will force the rest of the media to give this more coverage.  I’d expect a Romney or RNC ad on this subject in the next few days.


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Re: Obama $8.3 billion slush fund

Postby EdsonNascimento » Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:04 am

There's an additional problem - Medicare Advantage Plans have to be filed now for next year. So, even when the law is overturned by the Supreme Court, the damage to benefits for next open enrollment will already be done. Now, in theory, the could re-open the MA bidding process as they have done before (though that's highly unlikely considering the time frames involved). Or, some Health Plans may be betting on the overturn and thus not putting the necessary Actuarial changes in should the law stand (And effectively putting it off a year).

But, either way - the one thing the Obama Administration is good at is scape goating. Unfortuanately, if these policies are left to stand the only ones getting hurt are the Seniors. And it is DIRECTLY Obama's fault. (yet, somehow the bulk of them will line up like lambs to the slaughter come November).

(The other thing he's good at is crappy PR that simpletons eat up - close the Rx Donut Hole!!! Hey, stupid - it's there to provide benefits to more people.)

At this point, I would vote for Jimmy Carter over this buffoon.
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Re: Obama $8.3 billion slush fund

Postby Godfather. » Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:18 am

I was told obama want's to impose a tax on ATM transactions of 1% every time we use a ATM
have any of you heard of this ? either way this ass hat is way out of control I hope all the obamaites
are happy with the CHANGE he promised...a one temrm president that has probably inflicted more
damage than any 2 term president in history.

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Re: Obama $8.3 billion slush fund

Postby Prince Of Dorkness » Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:00 am

Really?

You heard that?

Tell us, Godfather... Where did you hear that?

I'm sure it must be a very reputable source. :fp:

Before we waste any more time on people posting stuff from HotAir.com and presenting it as fact... Would it be possible for people to check their facts before getting their panties in a bunch?
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Re: Obama $8.3 billion slush fund

Postby gimmesometruth27 » Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:20 am

Prince Of Dorkness wrote: Would it be possible for people to check their facts before getting their panties in a bunch?

nope...
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Re: Obama $8.3 billion slush fund

Postby Godfather. » Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:27 am

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:Really?

You heard that?

Tell us, Godfather... Where did you hear that?

I'm sure it must be a very reputable source. :fp:

Before we waste any more time on people posting stuff from HotAir.com and presenting it as fact... Would it be possible for people to check their facts before getting their panties in a bunch?


I was told obama want's to impose a tax on ATM transactions of 1% every time we use a ATM
have any of you heard of this ?...it was question...

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Re: Obama $8.3 billion slush fund

Postby Godfather. » Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:34 am

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:Really?

You heard that?

Tell us, Godfather... Where did you hear that?

I'm sure it must be a very reputable source. :fp:

Before we waste any more time on people posting stuff from HotAir.com and presenting it as fact... Would it be possible for people to check their facts before getting their panties in a bunch?


so googled it and found these.
http://www.infowars.com/democrats-want- ... thdrawals/

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/07/0 ... thdrawals/

but also found this.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/debtfree.asp

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Re: Obama $8.3 billion slush fund

Postby Prince Of Dorkness » Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:34 am

Godfather. wrote:but also found this.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/debtfree.asp

Godfather.



There you go. See how easy that was?

I know that when we find info that supports our own political stance, we're more likely to believe it and not fact-check. But as you just learned, posting things like "I heard that Obama wants to..." and then repeating something that's totally made-up makes you a pawn of the people who want him out of power for other reasons... And maybe reasons that you would not support.
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Re: Obama $8.3 billion slush fund

Postby Godfather. » Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:52 am

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:
Godfather. wrote:but also found this.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/debtfree.asp

Godfather.



There you go. See how easy that was?

I know that when we find info that supports our own political stance, we're more likely to believe it and not fact-check. But as you just learned, posting things like "I heard that Obama wants to..." and then repeating something that's totally made-up makes you a pawn of the people who want him out of power for other reasons... And maybe reasons that you would not support.


:lol: :lol: yea got yer point man...but I am one the people that want him out :lol:

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Re: Obama $8.3 billion slush fund

Postby ACCBootlegGoddess » Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:06 pm

who would you like to see in there instead?

The Republicans were WAY worse! You want a President that will totally ignore problems at home and spend a shit load on foreign policy at the expense of regular Americans?
The economic collapse happened because of things that happened BEFORE Obama got into the White House but people are quick to point the finger at him because he couldn't clean up GW Bush's MESS in his first year or two in office. People don't realize that it's going to take at least a FULL TERM in office to do that.
He might have had an easier job had the people not fucked him over by putting the republicans in charge of congress!
I know the Dems were in power for like a year after the election, but that's not enough time to pass very many bills that make any kind of change. Esp since he had the big wigs from the auto and insurance industries lined up with their hands out during much of that time. Obama was in a position of REACTING to the BS that Bush caused rather than ACTING on what he promised to do during the campaign.
It's a pity that most voters are too stupid and short sighted to see that, and that so many votes believe the Propaganda BS spewed by media outlets such as Fox news rather than think for themselves.

This all said...Except for the very first question in this post - This post was not directed at anyone in this thread..I was speaking in general.
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Re: Obama $8.3 billion slush fund

Postby Godfather. » Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:15 pm

ACCBootlegGoddess wrote:who would you like to see in there instead?

The Republicans were WAY worse! You want a President that will totally ignore problems at home and spend a shit load on foreign policy at the expense of regular Americans?
The economic collapse happened because of things that happened BEFORE Obama got into the White House but people are quick to point the finger at him because he couldn't clean up GW Bush's MESS in his first year or two in office. People don't realize that it's going to take at least a FULL TERM in office to do that.
He might have had an easier job had the people not fucked him over by putting the republicans in charge of congress!
I know the Dems were in power for like a year after the election, but that's not enough time to pass very many bills that make any kind of change. Esp since he had the big wigs from the auto and insurance industries lined up with their hands out during much of that time. Obama was in a position of REACTING to the BS that Bush caused rather than ACTING on what he promised to do during the campaign.
It's a pity that most voters are too stupid and short sighted to see that, and that so many votes believe the Propaganda BS spewed by media outlets such as Fox news rather than think for themselves.

This all said...Except for the very first question in this post - This post was not directed at anyone in this thread..I was speaking in general.


cool, speaking of speaking in general.
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Postby EdsonNascimento » Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:39 am

ACCBootlegGoddess wrote:who would you like to see in there instead?

The Republicans were WAY worse! You want a President that will totally ignore problems at home and spend a shit load on foreign policy at the expense of regular Americans?
The economic collapse happened because of things that happened BEFORE Obama got into the White House but people are quick to point the finger at him because he couldn't clean up GW Bush's MESS in his first year or two in office. People don't realize that it's going to take at least a FULL TERM in office to do that.
He might have had an easier job had the people not fucked him over by putting the republicans in charge of congress!
I know the Dems were in power for like a year after the election, but that's not enough time to pass very many bills that make any kind of change. Esp since he had the big wigs from the auto and insurance industries lined up with their hands out during much of that time. Obama was in a position of REACTING to the BS that Bush caused rather than ACTING on what he promised to do during the campaign.
It's a pity that most voters are too stupid and short sighted to see that, and that so many votes believe the Propaganda BS spewed by media outlets such as Fox news rather than think for themselves.

This all said...Except for the very first question in this post - This post was not directed at anyone in this thread..I was speaking in general.


It did not take Reagan a full term to clean up Carter's mess. This is Obama's Economy. And it is Obama's wars. If he wanted something different or had any ideas on how to fix, they don't take 4 years. That line is old. This election has nothing to do with Bush. I find it funny that the Economy and the Wars were a problem, but his first action was to pass a health care bill that nobody wanted and nobody read. I think it's ironic it's going to be going out of office with its owner.

I would also think a guy that wins in the State of Kennedy would be a welcome sight. But, the bottom line is - anyone. Quite frankly anyone. (I do love how its ONLY Fox that "spews BS propaganda." :lol: )
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Re: Obama $8.3 billion slush fund

Postby gimmesometruth27 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:22 am

EdsonNascimento wrote:
It did not take Reagan a full term to clean up Carter's mess. This is Obama's Economy. And it is Obama's wars. If he wanted something different or had any ideas on how to fix, they don't take 4 years. That line is old. This election has nothing to do with Bush. I find it funny that the Economy and the Wars were a problem, but his first action was to pass a health care bill that nobody wanted and nobody read. I think it's ironic it's going to be going out of office with its owner.

I would also think a guy that wins in the State of Kennedy would be a welcome sight. But, the bottom line is - anyone. Quite frankly anyone. (I do love how its ONLY Fox that "spews BS propaganda." :lol: )

carter did not leave us nearly as fucked as gwb did. keep that in mind.

also, the health care bill that passed was not his first piece of legislation that he passed. it is a convenient talking point though, so yeah. it was also not exactly what he wanted. he wanted to get the basics passed and then he was going to strengthen it with other bills later but it took him 2 years to figure out that the blue dogs and the republicans were not going to work with him at all on any single issue. we could have had another 9/11 and the republicans would not have voted for anything obama would have wanted to do in response to those attacks..

it is really funny to me that republicans are so eager to blame obama for everything when it was the republican's policies that got us so fucked in the first place.

keep up with the short term memory failure america.
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Re: Obama $8.3 billion slush fund

Postby EdsonNascimento » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:59 am

gimmesometruth27 wrote:
EdsonNascimento wrote:
It did not take Reagan a full term to clean up Carter's mess. This is Obama's Economy. And it is Obama's wars. If he wanted something different or had any ideas on how to fix, they don't take 4 years. That line is old. This election has nothing to do with Bush. I find it funny that the Economy and the Wars were a problem, but his first action was to pass a health care bill that nobody wanted and nobody read. I think it's ironic it's going to be going out of office with its owner.

I would also think a guy that wins in the State of Kennedy would be a welcome sight. But, the bottom line is - anyone. Quite frankly anyone. (I do love how its ONLY Fox that "spews BS propaganda." :lol: )

carter did not leave us nearly as fucked as gwb did. keep that in mind.

also, the health care bill that passed was not his first piece of legislation that he passed. it is a convenient talking point though, so yeah. it was also not exactly what he wanted. he wanted to get the basics passed and then he was going to strengthen it with other bills later but it took him 2 years to figure out that the blue dogs and the republicans were not going to work with him at all on any single issue. we could have had another 9/11 and the republicans would not have voted for anything obama would have wanted to do in response to those attacks..

it is really funny to me that republicans are so eager to blame obama for everything when it was the republican's policies that got us so fucked in the first place.

keep up with the short term memory failure america.


We've got STM and you think Carter left our economy and foreign relations in a better place? :lol:
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Re: Obama $8.3 billion slush fund

Postby ACCBootlegGoddess » Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:59 am

EdsonNascimento wrote:
ACCBootlegGoddess wrote:who would you like to see in there instead?

The Republicans were WAY worse! You want a President that will totally ignore problems at home and spend a shit load on foreign policy at the expense of regular Americans?
The economic collapse happened because of things that happened BEFORE Obama got into the White House but people are quick to point the finger at him because he couldn't clean up GW Bush's MESS in his first year or two in office. People don't realize that it's going to take at least a FULL TERM in office to do that.
He might have had an easier job had the people not fucked him over by putting the republicans in charge of congress!
I know the Dems were in power for like a year after the election, but that's not enough time to pass very many bills that make any kind of change. Esp since he had the big wigs from the auto and insurance industries lined up with their hands out during much of that time. Obama was in a position of REACTING to the BS that Bush caused rather than ACTING on what he promised to do during the campaign.
It's a pity that most voters are too stupid and short sighted to see that, and that so many votes believe the Propaganda BS spewed by media outlets such as Fox news rather than think for themselves.

This all said...Except for the very first question in this post - This post was not directed at anyone in this thread..I was speaking in general.


It did not take Reagan a full term to clean up Carter's mess. This is Obama's Economy. And it is Obama's wars. If he wanted something different or had any ideas on how to fix, they don't take 4 years. That line is old. This election has nothing to do with Bush. I find it funny that the Economy and the Wars were a problem, but his first action was to pass a health care bill that nobody wanted and nobody read. I think it's ironic it's going to be going out of office with its owner.

I would also think a guy that wins in the State of Kennedy would be a welcome sight. But, the bottom line is - anyone. Quite frankly anyone. (I do love how its ONLY Fox that "spews BS propaganda." :lol: )



Ok Firstly, Carter did not leave your economy in NEARLY as bad a shape as GW Bush left it for Obama.

Secondly how the F do you figure any of the wars are Obama's?!?!? You guys were ALREADY fighting said war BEFORE the election! You can't just pull the troops out cold turkey. Obama has been trying to get them out of there his whole term, but he's trying to do it in such a way that he's not screwing the Iraqi or Afgani citizens any more than GW already has with both wars. (err invasions).
Thirdly, Obama care was NOT the first bill he passed. He had to lobby long and hard after the election to get the support he needed. If you remember the economy collapsed shortly after he took office so he had the bloody Auto industry CEO's and Insurance company CEO's knocking at this door with their hand out.
By the time he was in a position to finally do something more, the republicans had control of Congress. (Thank you stupid, short sighted, short term memory impaired voters!!) and refused to play nice and NEGOTIATE for the greater good. How does handcuffing Obama so he can't pass anything, forcing a downgrade in the countries credit rating GOOD for anything?!?! Yes your precious republicans are to blame for that!!
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