Trayvon Martin

[shadowcast]

For what it is worth the latest picture:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerm ... d=16177849

Not worth too much to me.
The apology: He was looking at the lawyer, not the family. And that fuckin' website of his just totally cancels out his apology for me. He had to apologize according to his lawyers, so he did.

As for the photo... I never disbelieved that there was a struggle. It's the stalking with a gun part and ignoring police about backing off before hand that makes me believe he's guilty of manslaughter (not second degree murder). It makes sense to me that Trayvon reacted to being stalked home by this guy, not knowing why he was being followed, hence a possible struggle between the two (I imagine something along the lines of: Trayvon: "Hey, why the fuck are you following me man?! Wtf?! (trying to be intimidating)" Zimmerman has a gun and aims it at him. Trayvon reacts by maybe pushing him or something, or jumping on him or whatever, Zimmerman lands on the back of his head - since Trayvon had no weapons, those head wounds must be from his head hitting the ground). That is just what I've imagined happened from what facts I've heard.

If Zimmerman aimed that gun at him there would not have been a struggle.

[polaris_x]

If Zimmerman aimed that gun at him there would not have been a struggle.

if you think he's gonna shoot - there might be

[gimmesometruth27]

i want to see a photo of the head injury/cut after the blood has been wiped away. or i want to see the scar. the head and scalp is very vascular and it does not take much of a cut at all to cause a lot of bleeding. also the scar can tell a lot about the nature of the injury, such as what kind of wound it was, like an abrasion, puncture, laceration, etc... the type of cut will tell you the mechanism of injury and etiology. and if the injuries are consistent with defensive movements then that might impact the case.

[gimmesometruth27]

If Zimmerman aimed that gun at him there would not have been a struggle.

if you think he's gonna shoot - there might be

yes, any self defense class will tell you how to take a gun away from someone. that was one of the first things we learned. it is quite the opposite of dealing with someone with a knife. when someone has a knife you run away and you live...

[shadowcast]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lDfxzvx ... e=youtu.be

Wyclef never misses an opprotunity.

[Blockhead]

For what it is worth the latest picture:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerm ... d=16177849

Not worth too much to me.
The apology: He was looking at the lawyer, not the family. And that fuckin' website of his just totally cancels out his apology for me. He had to apologize according to his lawyers, so he did.

As for the photo... I never disbelieved that there was a struggle. It's the stalking with a gun part and ignoring police about backing off before hand that makes me believe he's guilty of manslaughter (not second degree murder). It makes sense to me that Trayvon reacted to being stalked home by this guy, not knowing why he was being followed, hence a possible struggle between the two (I imagine something along the lines of: Trayvon: "Hey, why the fuck are you following me man?! Wtf?! (trying to be intimidating)" Zimmerman has a gun and aims it at him. Trayvon reacts by maybe pushing him or something, or jumping on him or whatever, Zimmerman lands on the back of his head - since Trayvon had no weapons, those head wounds must be from his head hitting the ground). That is just what I've imagined happened from what facts I've heard.

Following =/= Stalking/Harrassment...
Just because someone is walking behind you does not give you the permission to attack them...
The point at which someone is following/annoying and becomes a physical threat are two different things...

It also sounds like you have a hard time of conceiving facts... WHy would zimmerman just pull the gun out and try and kill him when he just got done calling the cops and reporting what he was doing???

[JonnyPistachio]

For what it is worth the latest picture:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerm ... d=16177849

Not worth too much to me.
The apology: He was looking at the lawyer, not the family. And that fuckin' website of his just totally cancels out his apology for me. He had to apologize according to his lawyers, so he did.

As for the photo... I never disbelieved that there was a struggle. It's the stalking with a gun part and ignoring police about backing off before hand that makes me believe he's guilty of manslaughter (not second degree murder). It makes sense to me that Trayvon reacted to being stalked home by this guy, not knowing why he was being followed, hence a possible struggle between the two (I imagine something along the lines of: Trayvon: "Hey, why the fuck are you following me man?! Wtf?! (trying to be intimidating)" Zimmerman has a gun and aims it at him. Trayvon reacts by maybe pushing him or something, or jumping on him or whatever, Zimmerman lands on the back of his head - since Trayvon had no weapons, those head wounds must be from his head hitting the ground). That is just what I've imagined happened from what facts I've heard.

I have to admit, I am surprised at the photograph of his injury to the back of his head. I wondered why a shot like this had not come out before. You would think releasing a photo like that would ease some of the criticism on Zimmerman and maybe helped with his personal safety. However, shortly after this pic was taken, he is seen walking into the police station without and bandages or any type of first aid. Blood from the head doesnt prove substantial injury. I'm still not convinced that this injury warranted killing somebody. But then again, there must be pictures of his face after the fight -- and unless his eyes are black and blue and his nose was broken and bloody, I still cant see killing someone over it.

Then again, if zimmermans injuries are that substantial, Treyvon, himself, might have been within the guidlines of the stand your ground laws if he though Zimmerman was potentially going to hand out some "great bodily harm," as zimmerman proved he could do. Is there a difference? Well, besides that Treyvon isnt here to tell us?

[Blockhead]

i want to see a photo of the head injury/cut after the blood has been wiped away. or i want to see the scar. the head and scalp is very vascular and it does not take much of a cut at all to cause a lot of bleeding. also the scar can tell a lot about the nature of the injury, such as what kind of wound it was, like an abrasion, puncture, laceration, etc... the type of cut will tell you the mechanism of injury and etiology. and if the injuries are consistent with defensive movements then that might impact the case.

LOL...
Get ready I am going to post a bunch of pictures of scars and scabs, I would like for you to list how each one happed, what instrument was used, what time of day it happened, ect...

[Blockhead]

I have to admit, I am surprised at the photograph of his injury to the back of his head. I wondered why a shot like this had not come out before. You would think releasing a photo like that would ease some of the criticism on Zimmerman and maybe helped with his personal safety. However, shortly after this pic was taken, he is seen walking into the police station without and bandages or any type of first aid. Blood from the head doesnt prove substantial injury. I'm still not convinced that this injury warranted killing somebody. But then again, there must be pictures of his face after the fight -- and unless his eyes are black and blue and his nose was broken and bloody, I still cant see killing someone over it.

Then again, if zimmermans injuries are that substantial, Treyvon, himself, might have been within the guidlines of the stand your ground laws if he though Zimmerman was potentially going to hand out some "great bodily harm," as zimmerman proved he could do. Is there a difference? Well, besides that Treyvon isnt here to tell us?

What was the exact time frame?
It doesn't matter how bad the injury or if Martin was trying to murder him or not. What matters is if Zimmerman's fear of serious injury or death was reasonable.

[JonnyPistachio]

The question still remains, does the prosecution have a case with evidence that we havent seen? I would hope so. If they're just doing this to appease the public, i will be appalled (then again, it IS Florida)

I'm assuming they have some kind of evidence revolving around the fact that Zimemrman said he was near the clubhouse when he was on the phone with 911 -- then after he said he'd stop pursuing him -- Treyvon was found shot to death much further away from Zimmermans vehicle and last known position.

There must be more witnesses too (assuming), that might have initially been afraid to talk.
we'll see...I wonder how long it will take the trial to get going and get a jury -- not easy..

[shadowcast]

If Zimmerman aimed that gun at him there would not have been a struggle.

if you think he's gonna shoot - there might be

No he propbably would have shot him with no struggle. If he did pull the gun and aim it at him and Trayvon tackled him then I would say there would have been multiple shots fired.

[JonnyPistachio]

I have to admit, I am surprised at the photograph of his injury to the back of his head. I wondered why a shot like this had not come out before. You would think releasing a photo like that would ease some of the criticism on Zimmerman and maybe helped with his personal safety. However, shortly after this pic was taken, he is seen walking into the police station without and bandages or any type of first aid. Blood from the head doesnt prove substantial injury. I'm still not convinced that this injury warranted killing somebody. But then again, there must be pictures of his face after the fight -- and unless his eyes are black and blue and his nose was broken and bloody, I still cant see killing someone over it.

Then again, if zimmermans injuries are that substantial, Treyvon, himself, might have been within the guidlines of the stand your ground laws if he though Zimmerman was potentially going to hand out some "great bodily harm," as zimmerman proved he could do. Is there a difference? Well, besides that Treyvon isnt here to tell us?

What was the exact time frame?
It doesn't matter how bad the injury or if Martin was trying to murder him or not. What matters is if Zimmerman's fear of serious injury or death was reasonable.

I guess it couldve been an hour or up to 2-3 hours later. it was still the same night -- and there was nothing on his head to prevent further bloodflow at the police station. I agree with your statement. That's the underlying point...If Zimmerman can prove that he thinks a bump on the back of his head is considered a serious injury, he had every right to kill someone -- Crappy wording in the law.

Get ready I am going to post a bunch of pictures of scars and scabs, I would like for you to list how each one happed, what instrument was used, what time of day it happened, ect...

They have experts for this. And Gimme is correct, that much blood can come from a tiny scrape or a gaping wound. Heads bleed a lot.

[Blockhead]

I have to admit, I am surprised at the photograph of his injury to the back of his head. I wondered why a shot like this had not come out before. You would think releasing a photo like that would ease some of the criticism on Zimmerman and maybe helped with his personal safety. However, shortly after this pic was taken, he is seen walking into the police station without and bandages or any type of first aid. Blood from the head doesnt prove substantial injury. I'm still not convinced that this injury warranted killing somebody. But then again, there must be pictures of his face after the fight -- and unless his eyes are black and blue and his nose was broken and bloody, I still cant see killing someone over it.

Then again, if zimmermans injuries are that substantial, Treyvon, himself, might have been within the guidlines of the stand your ground laws if he though Zimmerman was potentially going to hand out some "great bodily harm," as zimmerman proved he could do. Is there a difference? Well, besides that Treyvon isnt here to tell us?

What was the exact time frame?
It doesn't matter how bad the injury or if Martin was trying to murder him or not. What matters is if Zimmerman's fear of serious injury or death was reasonable.

I guess it couldve been an hour or up to 2-3 hours later. it was still the same night -- and there was nothing on his head to prevent further bloodflow at the police station. I agree with your statement. That's the underlying point...If Zimmerman can prove that he thinks a bump on the back of his head is considered a serious injury, he had every right to kill someone -- Crappy wording in the law.

Get ready I am going to post a bunch of pictures of scars and scabs, I would like for you to list how each one happed, what instrument was used, what time of day it happened, ect...

They have experts for this. And Gimme is correct, that much blood can come from a tiny scrape or a gaping wound. Heads bleed a lot.

He has an injury from an attack, severity of an injury does not and should not matter...

[shadowcast]

i want to see a photo of the head injury/cut after the blood has been wiped away. or i want to see the scar. the head and scalp is very vascular and it does not take much of a cut at all to cause a lot of bleeding. also the scar can tell a lot about the nature of the injury, such as what kind of wound it was, like an abrasion, puncture, laceration, etc... the type of cut will tell you the mechanism of injury and etiology. and if the injuries are consistent with defensive movements then that might impact the case.

So let's just all agree that Zimmerman was getting his head slammed.

[PJ_Soul]

For what it is worth the latest picture:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerm ... d=16177849

Not worth too much to me.
The apology: He was looking at the lawyer, not the family. And that fuckin' website of his just totally cancels out his apology for me. He had to apologize according to his lawyers, so he did.

As for the photo... I never disbelieved that there was a struggle. It's the stalking with a gun part and ignoring police about backing off before hand that makes me believe he's guilty of manslaughter (not second degree murder). It makes sense to me that Trayvon reacted to being stalked home by this guy, not knowing why he was being followed, hence a possible struggle between the two (I imagine something along the lines of: Trayvon: "Hey, why the fuck are you following me man?! Wtf?! (trying to be intimidating)" Zimmerman has a gun and aims it at him. Trayvon reacts by maybe pushing him or something, or jumping on him or whatever, Zimmerman lands on the back of his head - since Trayvon had no weapons, those head wounds must be from his head hitting the ground). That is just what I've imagined happened from what facts I've heard.

I have to admit, I am surprised at the photograph of his injury to the back of his head. I wondered why a shot like this had not come out before. You would think releasing a photo like that would ease some of the criticism on Zimmerman and maybe helped with his personal safety. However, shortly after this pic was taken, he is seen walking into the police station without and bandages or any type of first aid. Blood from the head doesnt prove substantial injury. I'm still not convinced that this injury warranted killing somebody. But then again, there must be pictures of his face after the fight -- and unless his eyes are black and blue and his nose was broken and bloody, I still cant see killing someone over it.

Then again, if zimmermans injuries are that substantial, Treyvon, himself, might have been within the guidlines of the stand your ground laws if he though Zimmerman was potentially going to hand out some "great bodily harm," as zimmerman proved he could do. Is there a difference? Well, besides that Treyvon isnt here to tell us?

Exactly! From what facts are known so far, it sounds like Trayvon was the one protecting himself, not the other way around.