Trayvon Martin

[81]

The people want blood now.

So be it if it preserves order.

so you like to sacrifice people

[Jason P]

The people want blood now.

So be it if it preserves order.

so you like to sacrifice people

Preferably in volcanoes but I'll make due with an old fashioned alter and dagger if necessary.

The only way to avoid a sacrifice is for community leaders and the media to admit they were carried away and made this case into a sensational story of racism before knowing any facts or circumstances ... ask that kid from Rutgers if he thinks that will happen.

As it stands, damage control is necessary.

[81]

The only way to avoid a sacrifice is for community leaders and the media to admit they were carried away and made this case into a sensational story of racism before knowing any facts or circumstances

funniest thing i've read all day.

[usamamasan1]

This has been on my commute all week. Under the RIP to the left it reads

While
the
Neighbor
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Things I have been reading in other places are:

Mob rule
Overcharging
Tried in press

I don't know how the case will play out, anyones guess i suppose. What I feel confident about however is that no matter how it plays out, there will be riots.

Why this turned into a race narrative is whack. Can't believe the press reported that Zimmerman was white and edited phone calls. whoops.

[JonnyPistachio]

I don't know how the case will play out, anyones guess i suppose. What I feel confident about however is that no matter how it plays out, there will be riots.

It really could get ugly (or uglier).

Why this turned into a race narrative is whack. Can't believe the press reported that Zimmerman was white and edited phone calls. whoops.

what I can't believe more is that an unarmed kid was killed and this stand your ground law almost got him off (might still).

The race thing should be let go already. and I'm surprised to hear that Zimmerman edited phone calls too.

[mikepegg44]

2nd degree murder? Wow, I figured manslaughter, not this. Maybe they shoot for 2nd deg murder, figuring they settle on manslaughter?
They must have something interesting to show.
I guess we might finally see the pictures of all of Zimmerman's injuries too.

It's either make him do hard time or potential wide-spread rioting. What do you think Al Sharpton's response would have been if only manslaughter charges were filed? That would not have appeased him or the community he represents.

Zimmerman is going down. The media's rush to get the jump on information without fact-checking and good research sealed his fate weeks ago. The people want blood now.

So be it if it preserves order.

it appeases the public. The national dialogue will be long over by the time it makes it to trial and we have a verdict...unless Florida allows juries to convict on lesser charges than the one brought, I think they have to know it will be very hard to get a conviction on Murder 2 with the evidence that has been shown. I imagine they have a "smoking gun" in their pocket. If they don't, they brought these charges out of political pressure and nothing more.

[PJ_Soul]

2nd degree murder? Wow, I figured manslaughter, not this. Maybe they shoot for 2nd deg murder, figuring they settle on manslaughter?
They must have something interesting to show.
I guess we might finally see the pictures of all of Zimmerman's injuries too.

It's either make him do hard time or potential wide-spread rioting. What do you think Al Sharpton's response would have been if only manslaughter charges were filed? That would not have appeased him or the community he represents.

Zimmerman is going down. The media's rush to get the jump on information without fact-checking and good research sealed his fate weeks ago. The people want blood now.

So be it if it preserves order.

Someone please tell me about court cases where the media determined the outcome. I can't think of any at all. I don't think there is any reason whatsoever for people to be thinking that would actually happen.
Also, DAs don't go around charging people for 2nd degree murder without fairly compelling evidence (although sure, it could be reduced to manslaughter or something). There is OBVIOUSLY some information that we don't have but the police and DA do, and, thus, information that the future jury does not know.

[Jason P]

it appeases the public.

[ComeToTX]

2nd degree murder? Wow, I figured manslaughter, not this. Maybe they shoot for 2nd deg murder, figuring they settle on manslaughter?
They must have something interesting to show.
I guess we might finally see the pictures of all of Zimmerman's injuries too.

It's either make him do hard time or potential wide-spread rioting. What do you think Al Sharpton's response would have been if only manslaughter charges were filed? That would not have appeased him or the community he represents.

Zimmerman is going down. The media's rush to get the jump on information without fact-checking and good research sealed his fate weeks ago. The people want blood now.

So be it if it preserves order.

Someone please tell me about court cases where the media determined the outcome. I can't think of any at all. I don't think there is any reason whatsoever for people to be thinking that would actually happen.
Also, DAs don't go around charging people for 2nd degree murder without fairly compelling evidence (although sure, it could be reduced to manslaughter or something). There is OBVIOUSLY some information that we don't have but the police and DA do, and, thus, information that the future jury does not know.

Exactly. They're not going to ruin their own reputation and waste more money to appease a media that will move on anyway.

[Jason P]

Someone please tell me about court cases where the media determined the outcome. I can't think of any at all. I don't think there is any reason whatsoever for people to be thinking that would actually happen.
Also, DAs don't go around charging people for 2nd degree murder without fairly compelling evidence (although sure, it could be reduced to manslaughter or something). There is OBVIOUSLY some information that we don't have but the police and DA do, and, thus, information that the future jury does not know.

The Rutgers case where the gay roommate threw himself off the GW bridge and he was convicted of a hate crime. The media reported a ton of untrue stuff and created a witch-hunt. It wouldn't even had been a case without the media push and furor they created by releasing false information. Go review the facts from the trial and judge for yourself, but if that kid got convicted on a hate crime based on his past, I should probably be locked up in a super-max prison right now for my childhood (it was a simpler time).

And prosecutors do go after publicity cases without compelling evidence as displayed in the Duke lacrosse case. However, with the scrutiny of this case I have better faith that the prosecutor has a better case and will not be disbarred afterwards.

And don't forget the wild card .... this is Florida we are talking about

[polaris_x]

The Rutgers case where the gay roommate threw himself off the GW bridge and he was convicted of a hate crime. The media reported a ton of untrue stuff and created a witch-hunt. It wouldn't even had been a case without the media push and furor they created by releasing false information. Go review the facts from the trial and judge for yourself, but if that kid got convicted on a hate crime based on his past, I should probably be locked up in a super-max prison right now for my childhood (it was a simpler time).

what part of the trial and verdict do you think was problematic? ... and is it your contention the exposure of this case and media focus is the reason why the trial went as it did?

[Cliffy6745]

Haven't read through this thread but saw the discussion on why 2nd degree over manslaughter. From the breif conversation I saw on the news last night they said 2nd degree will be easier to prove and they can always drop back to manslaughter. Also, the sentences between the two are not very different with Florida's gun laws.

[PJ_Soul]

Someone please tell me about court cases where the media determined the outcome. I can't think of any at all. I don't think there is any reason whatsoever for people to be thinking that would actually happen.
Also, DAs don't go around charging people for 2nd degree murder without fairly compelling evidence (although sure, it could be reduced to manslaughter or something). There is OBVIOUSLY some information that we don't have but the police and DA do, and, thus, information that the future jury does not know.

The Rutgers case where the gay roommate threw himself off the GW bridge and he was convicted of a hate crime. The media reported a ton of untrue stuff and created a witch-hunt. It wouldn't even had been a case without the media push and furor they created by releasing false information. Go review the facts from the trial and judge for yourself, but if that kid got convicted on a hate crime based on his past, I should probably be locked up in a super-max prison right now for my childhood (it was a simpler time).

And prosecutors do go after publicity cases without compelling evidence as displayed in the Duke lacrosse case. However, with the scrutiny of this case I have better faith that the prosecutor has a better case and will not be disbarred afterwards.

And don't forget the wild card .... this is Florida we are talking about

There is a still a requirement of the prosecutors to present compelling evidence... if there wasn't any, then the judge would have thrown them out of court. Really, it just doesn't work that way. And the kid got convicted based on his past combined with the current circumstances (it's called showing a pattern of behaviour)... Also, there is no reason at all as far as I know to think that the jury's decision was based on anything other than the evidence presented in court. Sorry, I still don't know of any cases where the media determined the outcome of a trial!

[Jason P]

The Rutgers case where the gay roommate threw himself off the GW bridge and he was convicted of a hate crime. The media reported a ton of untrue stuff and created a witch-hunt. It wouldn't even had been a case without the media push and furor they created by releasing false information. Go review the facts from the trial and judge for yourself, but if that kid got convicted on a hate crime based on his past, I should probably be locked up in a super-max prison right now for my childhood (it was a simpler time).

what part of the trial and verdict do you think was problematic? ... and is it your contention the exposure of this case and media focus is the reason why the trial went as it did?

I don't think it would have been a case at all without the attention. The media reported false information and him and that girl were labeled as monsters. Bullying and homophobia are hot topics and the media jumped all over it. These two became poster-childs for those two issues. I thought they should have been locked up based on what I was told at the time.

As for the trial, how is a juror supposed to ignore the suicide? Why would they be there if it wasn't for the suicide? And based on available evidence to the public, why was he convicted as guilty? But I wasn't on the jury so I don't know for sure.

Anyway, this is for another thread entirely.

[polaris_x]

I don't think it would have been a case at all without the attention. The media reported false information and him and that girl were labeled as monsters. Bullying and homophobia are hot topics and the media jumped all over it. These two became poster-childs for those two issues. I thought they should have been locked up based on what I was told at the time.

As for the trial, how is a juror supposed to ignore the suicide? Why would they be there if it wasn't for the suicide? And based on available evidence to the public, why was he convicted as guilty? But I wasn't on the jury so I don't know for sure.

Anyway, this is for another thread entirely.

i'll just say that i definitely think what he did was a crime ... and when i look at the counts by which he was found guilty ... based on what i read - they are reasonable verdicts ... just because many people get away with things doesn't make it right ... and i think ultimately the point is whether or not the media is driving this arrest and charge ... if so, is that good or bad? ...

i, for the most part, feel that it is the media's responsibility to bring attention to cases ... obviously, falsifying information or distorting it is absolutely wrong but without the media ... trayvon martin would not get his day in court ... his family would just be left with a dead member ...