Trayvon Martin

[justam]

All parents should be out protesting about this. It could have been anyone's son. I can't imagine how this family must feel to lose their son this way.

What a horrible case.

[shadowcast]

just courious....who and how many believe Zimmerman is guilty of murder ?..straight up guilty of capital murder and why," not to debate or argue anybodys opinion" just to see how many people believe Zimmerman is guilty with only the evidense given to us by the media.


Godfather.

Leaning towards not guilty. I think Zimmerman was getting his ass kicked pulled his gun and shot him. Or while getting his ass kicked his shirt pulls up Martin sees the gun and goes for it (Can't really blame him becasue he was probably thinking it's me or him). But Zimmerman gets it out and shoots him in the chest.

[shadowcast]

All parents should be out protesting about this. It could have been anyone's son. I can't imagine how this family must feel to lose their son this way.

What a horrible case.

I think protesting Conceal & Carry more than anything.

[unsung]

I don't know, but I guess if I were walking back to my truck I'd have been more aware of my surroundings if I just lost someone that I was following.

Sounds like he was getting the crap kicked out of him, felt the offender going after his gun, and ended up being able to defend himself. Witnesses have said that Zimmerman was being beat up, there was proof he took a beating as well.

I don't buy the whole thing about the kid that got shot being an angel like they are trying to push on us. That picture looks like he was 14. It's too bad he's dead though.

While I FULLY support the RIGHT to carry a firearm for self defense I can't really offer much of an opinion on this particular case. The evidence and eyewitnesses seem to back what Zimmerman was saying.

The public lynching of Zimmerman is exactly why racism will never die. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson would have to find honest work.

[unsung]

I think protesting Conceal & Carry more than anything.

Yawn

[shadowcast]

I think protesting Conceal & Carry more than anything.

Yawn

All for having a gun at your house. I don't think it is wise to let the common man bring them out into public.

[inmytree]

I know, the reporting of this case is very frustrating. Edited versions of calls are being played on the news because it fits the story better to end the call with the dispatcher saying, "We don't need you to do that." When I first heard about this case I was 100% sure that Zimmerman killed Martin in cold blood. There was no mention of a struggle, there were mentions that Martin was crying out for help (and now there are reports that it was Zimmerman screaming for help, not Martin), and there was seemingly no effort made to present anything that might indicate Zimmerman was really acting in self-defense when he was shot nor was there anything said to contradict the assumption that someone named George Zimmerman was anything but 100% white. Now, there's stuff coming out that contradicts early reports or sheds new light on previously reported information and it's impossible to tell what's true and what's not. On top of that, the media is seeking out school records that are supposed to be private. I get the feeling that this story went from being about making sure justice was carried out whatever the outcome to being just another feeding frenzy for the sharks in the press that only care about getting the next scoop on everyone else even though nobody really gives a crap who got the information first anymore since it'll be all over the Internet and cable news within 5 minutes of the first report anyway. Racial tension in a news story equals ratings and when there's a death tossed into the mix then it becomes a gold mine and they'll keep it going for as long as they can without a care in the world about how their reporting will impact others. Tayvon's family has to explain why their dead son was suspended from school, as if they don't have enough to deal with right now. Zimmerman has a bounty on him from the New Black Panthers and he may not have even done anything wrong for all anyone really knows. As long as the papers keep flying off the newsstands, viewers keep tuning in for the latest new bit of leaked information, and the websites keep getting hits nothing else matters.

FYI, Technically Zimmerman is white... Hispanic is not a race...it's an ethnicity...anyhoo...so the f what if the kid was suspended from school...does that man folks can go hunt down kids kicked out of school...?

Zimmerman placed himself in harms way....he followed this kid...he did not wait for the police...he's should be charged and tried in a court of law...only then will justice be served....

[inmytree]

Leaning towards not guilty. I think Zimmerman was getting his ass kicked pulled his gun and shot him. Or while getting his ass kicked his shirt pulls up Martin sees the gun and goes for it (Can't really blame him becasue he was probably thinking it's me or him). But Zimmerman gets it out and shoots him in the chest.

you think...?

anyway, why did he get close enough to get into a fight with a 17 year old kid...? it's not like Martin was following him...perhaps Martin was standing his ground and was murdered...

[g under p]

just courious....who and how many believe Zimmerman is guilty of murder ?..straight up guilty of capital murder and why," not to debate or argue anybodys opinion" just to see how many people believe Zimmerman is guilty with only the evidense given to us by the media.


Godfather.

Murder out of the question...far too difficult to prove and remember this is Florida we are talking about. However, involuntary manslaughter is where the state may have a better chance to prove it's case.

Peace

[puremagic]

just courious....who and how many believe Zimmerman is guilty of murder ?..straight up guilty of capital murder and why," not to debate or argue anybodys opinion" just to see how many people believe Zimmerman is guilty with only the evidense given to us by the media. Godfather.

1. Zimmerman reports a suspicious person to police

2. Zimmerman tells police he’s following the person.
-[Mobile phone+Vehicle]

3. The police instruct Zimmerman not to pursue the person.
-[Trayvon was not shot on Zimmerman’s property]

4. Zimmerman ignores the police instructions and is armed following a suspicious person
-[Trayvon was not shot on Zimmerman’s immediate property]

5. Between the time the police are called (about the shooting) and arrive at the scene, Trayvon had been shot dead by Zimmerman.

Did these 5 known facts warrant an investigation into the shooting?

All this talk about Zimmerman isn’t a racist, and this is not like the Zimmerman I know. The same shit was said by the friends of the Jet Blue pilot who snapped. In the case of Zimmerman and Trayvon, we don’t know what words were exchanged when Zimmerman confronted Trayvon or what took place during the fight, what we do know is 1 through 5. For me that’s manslaughter.

[Godfather.]

does anybody have a ball park figure on time surved for involuntary manslaughter ?
I'm guessing probation to maybe 7 years..?out in three ?

Godfather.

[Monster Rain]

Go back and read the transcript of Zimmerman's 911 call. Zimmerman was on his way to the store when he spotted Martin, so he was never on his property to begin with, so sayign that he must have followed him because Trayvon wasn't shot on Zimmerman's property is a faulty assumption. Also, when the 911 operator told Zimmerman, "We don't need yo uto do that," in reference to following Martin, Zimmerman replied, "OK," and remained on the phone with the operator trying to describe how the police needed to travel through the neighborhood in order to reach him and he also stated that he did not want to say his address because he didn't know where Martin went and he didn't want him to overhear him and know where he lives. So if he was following Martin after being told not to, why did he not know where he was just a few moments later and why did he remain on the line trying to explain where he was in the development so the police could find him when they arrived?

So what we really know is this:

1. Zimmerman was on his way to the store and spotted what he thought was a suspicious person in the neighborhood and called the police.

2. He said he was following Martin because he had started runnign away.

3. The dispatcher told him, "We don't need you doing that."

4. Zimmerman responded to the dispatcher by saying, "OK," and remained on the line.

5. At some point before the police arrived there was a struggle and Martin was shot and killed.

What we don't know:

1. Who initiated the struggle between Zimmerman and Martin. Did Zimmerman lie when he said he had stopped following Martin or did Martin attack him from behind as Zimmerman claims?

2. Did Martin try to take Zimmerman's gun during the struggle as Zimmerman claims or did he just shoot because he was losing the fight?

just courious....who and how many believe Zimmerman is guilty of murder ?..straight up guilty of capital murder and why," not to debate or argue anybodys opinion" just to see how many people believe Zimmerman is guilty with only the evidense given to us by the media. Godfather.

1. Zimmerman reports a suspicious person to police

2. Zimmerman tells police he’s following the person.
-[Mobile phone+Vehicle]

3. The police instruct Zimmerman not to pursue the person.
-[Trayvon was not shot on Zimmerman’s property]

4. Zimmerman ignores the police instructions and is armed following a suspicious person
-[Trayvon was not shot on Zimmerman’s immediate property]

5. Between the time the police are called (about the shooting) and arrive at the scene, Trayvon had been shot dead by Zimmerman.

Did these 5 known facts warrant an investigation into the shooting?

All this talk about Zimmerman isn’t a racist, and this is not like the Zimmerman I know. The same shit was said by the friends of the Jet Blue pilot who snapped. In the case of Zimmerman and Trayvon, we don’t know what words were exchanged when Zimmerman confronted Trayvon or what took place during the fight, what we do know is 1 through 5. For me that’s manslaughter.

[shadowcast]

just courious....who and how many believe Zimmerman is guilty of murder ?..straight up guilty of capital murder and why," not to debate or argue anybodys opinion" just to see how many people believe Zimmerman is guilty with only the evidense given to us by the media. Godfather.

1. Zimmerman reports a suspicious person to police

2. Zimmerman tells police he’s following the person.
-[Mobile phone+Vehicle]

3. The police instruct Zimmerman not to pursue the person.
-[Trayvon was not shot on Zimmerman’s property]

4. Zimmerman ignores the police instructions and is armed following a suspicious person
-[Trayvon was not shot on Zimmerman’s immediate property]

5. Between the time the police are called (about the shooting) and arrive at the scene, Trayvon had been shot dead by Zimmerman.

Did these 5 known facts warrant an investigation into the shooting?

All this talk about Zimmerman isn’t a racist, and this is not like the Zimmerman I know. The same shit was said by the friends of the Jet Blue pilot who snapped. In the case of Zimmerman and Trayvon, we don’t know what words were exchanged when Zimmerman confronted Trayvon or what took place during the fight, what we do know is 1 through 5. For me that’s manslaughter.

Was told by 911 to back in which he says ok and walks back to his car.
In a state where you are allowed to conceal and carry.
Was getting beat up felt his life was in danger and shot him.
I don't think there is a law against following somebody is there? I mean to reach stalker status you have to be caught doing it multiple times or make threats.

[shadowcast]

does anybody have a ball park figure on time surved for involuntary manslaughter ?
I'm guessing probation to maybe 7 years..?out in three ?

Godfather.

Thought I read 4-20 years and probation.

[pjl44]

FYI, Technically Zimmerman is white... Hispanic is not a race...it's an ethnicity...

Interesting. I was gonna debate this point, but you are technically correct. I learned something today.

http://www.census.gov/population/race/about/