he still stands wrote:redrock wrote:That's what an academic discussion is. Whatever the subject. This is what the article is - an academic discussion published in a specialised medical journal. No doctor/person is claiming this should be OK (or not), no 'message' is being put forth - just logical arguments.
Those are my thoughts on the article. I'm taking it as it's meant to be taken.
well, sort of.. "the authors argue that what we call ‘after-birth abortion’ (killing a newborn) should be permissible in all the cases where abortion is, including cases where the newborn is not disabled."
so it is sort of an argument advocating murder...
The sentence you quote starts with: "..Abortion is largely accepted even for reasons that do not have anything to do with the fetus' health. By showing that (1) both fetuses and newborns do not have the same moral status as actual persons, (2) the fact that both are potential persons is morally irrelevant and (3) adoption is not always in the best interest of actual people,...."
What the authors are arguing is that, if one accepts certain criteria for abortion and they can demonstrate this criteria is valid for newborns, then they can reach a certain conclusion. Again, any moral issue is removed from these arguments. It's just logical discussion.
You are using the word 'murder' as moral judgement (or unlawful). That's were morals/ethics/emotions come in. Those things then will counter-act this academic discussion and come to very different conclusions. Of course for people like you and me, something like this is morally reprehensible but have there not been killing of newborns because of their sex, disability, etc. in some countries/cultures?
Just as Prof. Savulescu said: "The authors provocatively argue that there is no moral difference between a fetus and a newborn," he continued. "Their capacities are relevantly similar. If abortion is permissible, infanticide should be permissible. The authors proceed logically from premises which many people accept to a conclusion that many of those people would reject."