Forced ultrasound = state-sanctioned rape

[Jason P]

So, yes, call a spade a spade. Rape is rape.

Under the proposed legislation, does a woman have the right to say "no"?

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So, yes, call a spade a spade. Rape is rape.

Under the proposed legislation, does a woman have the right to say "no"?

Some legislation allows women to say no and some doesn't. I'm referring to the legislation that doesn't.

Also, I'd like to add that when we turn rape experiences into a competition, no one wins.

[Vitalogy Man]

I dont see the big deal...

I mean, if you're having an abortion, it's probably because you have a problem saying NO to penetration in the first place...

After your 3rd or 4th abortion, it might even be suggested that you ENJOY "penetration"....

Just not while having your abortion.

Now I get it.

How pathetically ironic.

[brandon10]

I dont see the big deal...

I mean, if you're having an abortion, it's probably because you have a problem saying NO to penetration in the first place...

After your 3rd or 4th abortion, it might even be suggested that you ENJOY "penetration"....

Just not while having your abortion.

Now I get it.

How pathetically ironic.

This might be the most pathetic disgusting post I have ever read on any PJ forum.

[gimmesometruth27]

I dont see the big deal...

I mean, if you're having an abortion, it's probably because you have a problem saying NO to penetration in the first place...

After your 3rd or 4th abortion, it might even be suggested that you ENJOY "penetration"....

Just not while having your abortion.

Now I get it.

How pathetically ironic.

This might be the most pathetic disgusting post I have ever read on any PJ forum.

i completely agree. i have read a lot of offensive things on here over the years, but the sheer ignorance of this post takes the cake... i can't believe VM actually typed that. sometimes it is better to keep opinions like that to yourself.

[gimmesometruth27]

i am surprised that the focus of this legislation in states liuke virginia, and addtionally the presidential campaign has turned to make contraception and social issues the main topic being debated. what happened to the economy and jobs? why is the existance of satan being discussed on the campaign trail? this is the kind of shit that makes me embarrassed to be a human being sometimes.

my prediction is after november we will not hear about any of these social issues until the next presidential campaign.

[USARAY]

what is crude and pathetic is if women use abortion as birth control having 3 4 or more

forced ultrasound though assumes women don't have hearts or care when having an abortion

this policy is govt ordered torture not rape thats just stupid

[Vitalogy Man]

what is crude and pathetic is if women use abortion as birth control having 3 4 or more

forced ultrasound though assumes women don't have hearts or care when having an abortion

this policy is govt ordered torture not rape thats just stupid

No, I think the woman/mom doesn't want to have the ultrasound b/c it makes them feel worse....

Harder to kill a baby if you have to look it in the face first...

Rape or murder...?


Which is worse?

[Jason P]

So, yes, call a spade a spade. Rape is rape.

Under the proposed legislation, does a woman have the right to say "no"?

Some legislation allows women to say no and some doesn't. I'm referring to the legislation that doesn't.

Also, I'd like to add that when we turn rape experiences into a competition, no one wins.

I agree that this law is intrusive but I'm still not on board with defining it as rape. You still have the right to say no and they will not shackle you down and rape you. If you object, then they may either skip it or tell you to hit the bricks, but you will not get raped.

Rape is rape, but this isn't rape. It's very bad policy.

[USARAY]

what is crude and pathetic is if women use abortion as birth control having 3 4 or more

forced ultrasound though assumes women don't have hearts or care when having an abortion

this policy is govt ordered torture not rape thats just stupid

No, I think the woman/mom doesn't want to have the ultrasound b/c it makes them feel worse....

Harder to kill a baby if you have to look it in the face first...

Rape or murder...?

Which is worse?

of course my point
torture
yes abortion is murder let's say it together but it is legalized murder

[Jason P]

I have a feeling this thread is about to take a very ugly turn.

Laterhosen.

[inlet13]

Rape: “Penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.”

I'm confused. If you're going to get an abortion, and a new law is passed that requires an ultrasound prior to the abortion, then one would have to "consent" to the ultrasound in order to get the abortion. Right? In other words, under this new law, you CAN'T get an abortion without the procedure, first. So, you need to consent to the procedure prior to obtaining the abortion in order to get the abortion. A big term in your definition is consent. An individual seeking an abortion may not like the ultrasound, but I'm betting most women don't like gyno appointments, where similar "penetrations of the vagina by an object" occur, either.

The terminology "state-sanctioned rape" is not only outrageous, it's misleading... regardless of your feelings on the issues or merits of the law.

[Vitalogy Man]

Rape: “Penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.”

I'm confused. If you're going to get an abortion, and a new law is passed that requires an ultrasound prior to the abortion, then one would have to "consent" to the ultrasound in order to get the abortion. In other words, under this new law, you CAN'T get an abortion without the procedure. So, you need to consent to the procedure prior to the abortion in order to get the abortion. A big term in your definition is consent. They may not like the ultrasound, but I'm betting most women don't like gyno appointments, where similar events occur, either.

The terminology "state-sanctioned rape" is not only outrageous, it's misleading... regardless of your feelings on the issues or merits of the law.

outrageous.

misleading.

well said.

[gimmesometruth27]

I agree that this law is intrusive but I'm still not on board with defining it as rape. You still have the right to say no and they will not shackle you down and rape you. If you object, then they may either skip it or tell you to hit the bricks, but you will not get raped.

Rape is rape, but this isn't rape. It's very bad policy.

how about we start forcefully sticking probes up your urethra for a prostate exam?
it is not necessary for a prostate exam, just liek a transvaginal ultrasound is not necessary for abortion, but hey let's just do it anyway...

fair enough?

[gimmesometruth27]

Rape: “Penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.”

I'm confused. If you're going to get an abortion, and a new law is passed that requires an ultrasound prior to the abortion, then one would have to "consent" to the ultrasound in order to get the abortion. Right? In other words, under this new law, you CAN'T get an abortion without the procedure, first. So, you need to consent to the procedure prior to obtaining the abortion in order to get the abortion. A big term in your definition is consent. An individual seeking an abortion may not like the ultrasound, but I'm betting most women don't like gyno appointments, where similar "penetrations of the vagina by an object" occur, either.

The terminology "state-sanctioned rape" is not only outrageous, it's misleading... regardless of your feelings on the issues or merits of the law.

it is not outrageous. look at the definition of the terms. the ultrasound is not a necessary part of the procedure. it is designed to shame and guilt the woman into not going through with the procedure, thus forcing the state's will on women.

women are being objectified for political gain, and that is wrong.

come on man, you are a libertarian, right? where is your defense against the overreach of government dictating medical procedures and the unresonable search of the uterus on this one?