Forced ultrasound = state-sanctioned rape

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Rape: “Penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.”


Most abortions happen before 9 weeks' gestation, when the fetus is too small to be seen via ultrasound except when using a vaginal probe.

Ultrasonography is not necessarily medically indicated for abortion care.

"Without the consent of the victim" includes so-called consent given under duress (like withholding medical care).

[Claireack]

Has there been a case?

[gimmesometruth27]

states are trying to make this law.....

this is state sanctioned rape and i do not know on what legal grounds this can be allowed to occur.

equal protection anyone??

man, i wish all women in this country would stand up and fight this, and i wish the men that are in power would listen to them and do the right thing on this...

did anyone see the committe chaired by darrell issa had all men discussion contraception, and the one woman in attendance was "unqualified" to talk about contraception???

hey gop, what does a uterus, and the forced search of one, have to do with fixing the economy or creating jobs????

[mikepegg44]

states are trying to make this law.....

this is state sanctioned rape and i do not know on what legal grounds this can be allowed to occur.

equal protection anyone??

man, i wish all women in this country would stand up and fight this, and i wish the men that are in power would listen to them and do the right thing on this...

did anyone see the committe chaired by darrell issa had all men discussion contraception, and the one woman in attendance was "unqualified" to talk about contraception???

hey gop, what does a uterus, and the forced search of one, have to do with fixing the economy or creating jobs????

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Has there been a case?

Here's some info on ultrasound laws that have already passed: http://www.guttmacher.org/statecenter/s ... ib_RFU.pdf

There are more states that are in the process of trying to pass laws that require ultrasounds. I think Virgina is the main one that's been in the news recently.

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a uterus, and the forced search of one

I hadn't thought of it as a search before, but you're right.

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Breaking news: http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2 ... sound-bill

Apparently the Governor of Virginia has come to understand the problems with forcing objects into women's vaginas against their will. (The rest of the bill is still fucked up though. It is in no way the place of politicians to stick their noses into the standards of medical care. Yet they're still mandating costly forced searches of women's uteruses.)

[Vitalogy Man]

states are trying to make this law.....

this is state sanctioned rape and i do not know on what legal grounds this can be allowed to occur.

equal protection anyone??

man, i wish all women in this country would stand up and fight this, and i wish the men that are in power would listen to them and do the right thing on this...

did anyone see the committe chaired by darrell issa had all men discussion contraception, and the one woman in attendance was "unqualified" to talk about contraception???

hey gop, what does a uterus, and the forced search of one, have to do with fixing the economy or creating jobs????

HEY DEMS: What the hell does the Gov't have to do with Contraception?

Gov't : Get the F@ck out of my life!

[SweetChildofMine]

Thats exactly what the Dems are saying... Doh!

Its funny. You like contradicted yourself but put democrat in there....






tell me what part of the brain does that brainwashed mental switch? You wanna them out of your life better get them out of your head first.

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states are trying to make this law.....

this is state sanctioned rape and i do not know on what legal grounds this can be allowed to occur.

equal protection anyone??

man, i wish all women in this country would stand up and fight this, and i wish the men that are in power would listen to them and do the right thing on this...

did anyone see the committe chaired by darrell issa had all men discussion contraception, and the one woman in attendance was "unqualified" to talk about contraception???

hey gop, what does a uterus, and the forced search of one, have to do with fixing the economy or creating jobs????

HEY DEMS: What the hell does the Gov't have to do with Contraception?

Gov't : Get the F@ck out of my life!

I would answer your question, but we already have another thread for that topic. This is a different topic.

[blackredyellow]

Breaking news: http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2 ... sound-bill

Apparently the Governor of Virginia has come to understand the problems with forcing objects into women's vaginas against their will. (The rest of the bill is still fucked up though. It is in no way the place of politicians to stick their noses into the standards of medical care. Yet they're still mandating costly forced searches of women's uteruses.)

From that link (and the Governor):

I am asking the General Assembly to state in this legislation that only a transabdominal, or external, ultrasound will be required to satisfy the requirements to determine gestational age. Should a doctor determine that another form of ultrasound may be necessary to provide the necessary images and information that will be an issue for the doctor and the patient. The government will have no role in that medical decision.

This makes absolutely no sense... We don't want to pass a law that requires internal ultrasounds, but we will require the doc to determine gestational age. But if that can't be done externally, wouldn't the woman have to have an internal one to satisfy this bullshit gestational age requirement?

[SweetChildofMine]

wait ... now I hear there will be private congressional hearing BY MEN about the future of women's reproductive health


fucking dont say it isnt so...

[Vitalogy Man]

states are trying to make this law.....

this is state sanctioned rape and i do not know on what legal grounds this can be allowed to occur.

equal protection anyone??

man, i wish all women in this country would stand up and fight this, and i wish the men that are in power would listen to them and do the right thing on this...

did anyone see the committe chaired by darrell issa had all men discussion contraception, and the one woman in attendance was "unqualified" to talk about contraception???

hey gop, what does a uterus, and the forced search of one, have to do with fixing the economy or creating jobs????

HEY DEMS: What the hell does the Gov't have to do with Contraception?

Gov't : Get the F@ck out of my life!

I would answer your question, but we already have another thread for that topic. This is a different topic.

Not really sure what the hell this thread is about anyways... Using an ultra sound prior to abortion is rape?

Sorry if Im off about that...

[gimmesometruth27]

states are trying to make this law.....

this is state sanctioned rape and i do not know on what legal grounds this can be allowed to occur.

equal protection anyone??

man, i wish all women in this country would stand up and fight this, and i wish the men that are in power would listen to them and do the right thing on this...

did anyone see the committe chaired by darrell issa had all men discussion contraception, and the one woman in attendance was "unqualified" to talk about contraception???

hey gop, what does a uterus, and the forced search of one, have to do with fixing the economy or creating jobs????

HEY DEMS: What the hell does the Gov't have to do with Contraception?

Gov't : Get the F@ck out of my life!

I'm sorry. Are you a man? What right do you have to force a woman to undergo the forced penetration by a metal probe? If someone is against contraception and against abortion then they are anti woman and anti women's reproductive rights. I never understood how a man can deny contraception to a woman yet make them wholly responsible for carrying the fetus, wanted or otherwise, to full term and make them deliver the baby. You can not have it both ways.

The most ironic thing about all of this is that the people who support these laws are pro life Christian republicans who are anti taxes, anti social programs, anti contraception, yet pro death penalty. None of those positions are very christlike are they?

[Jason P]

Let me start be saying that this is a dumb law and a waste of taxpayer's time and money.

But I have a question as I'm a dude and most likely will go through life without having an abortion unless my life turns into a bad Schwarzenegger movie ... at any point during the abortion process, is there a point where anything penetrates the woman?