26 Things Non-Paul Voters Are Basically Saying

[mikepegg44]

Well he has a shit job to do to win over people with independent hearts. GOP has a bad reputation with people who fight for human progress.

My gut and things Ive seen makes still think he is a fraud.


Sorry.

you are right. He does have a shit job to do...I wish him the best. I have never and will never support another GOP candidate who doesn't have Paul's platform and integrity (I think that means I will never support one again)
and again you say "things i have seen" and have yet to really give any specific examples unless I missed one. I am sure they are out there, you might as well find one just to shut me up.

You think he is a fraud, that is fine

I think i am a millionaire

[Sludge Factory]

Well he has a shit job to do to win over people with independent hearts. GOP has a bad reputation with people who fight for human progress.

My gut and things Ive seen makes still think he is a fraud.


Sorry.

Maybe what your gut is feeling is actually an imbalance in its bacterial flora and you are confusing that feeling. I would recommend trying some of this :


Also, on the topic of how some feel Ron Paul should run as an independent. You all who think this already feel as if he has no chance in the Republican primary. What makes you think he would have even more of a chance as an independent? Our system is so fucked that anything outside of the 2 parties is basically null and void from the beginning. There is far more chance of having an impact in working within the 2 party system and trying to make changes from within than to try to start from the ground up. People have tried independent presidential runs in the past and they haven't really made much headway there.

I've seen people post here in the past that to make any real change you need to start at the local level and that the President won't be able to change anything. Gimme, you yourself alude to this with your statement that a Ron Paul presidency will be a lame duck from day one. Well, I think you all need to lay off this "He should run Independent" business because even if he doesn't become the Republican candidate his run has inspired many people to work at the local level. This inspiration is already underway in setting up the groundwork to inact real change at the local levels in many states .

Futhermore, as others have already pointed out, the party has abandoned its principals, why should he have to leave?

[Sludge Factory]

hey how's that ron paul campaign going again?




did he end up winning in maine??





oh yeah......


sorry....

we don't know yet


http://www.ronpaul.com/2012-02-12/ron-p ... blishment/

http://www.thestatecolumn.com/articles/ ... s-results/

More on the subject. At the end of the segment with the video of one of the GOP Chairmen from Maine is very telling if you ask me.

http://www.fox19.com/story/16937227/rea ... d-in-maine

Looks like Rachel Maddow is even talking about the voter fraud in Maine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHLXsgn4 ... _embedded#!

[inlet13]

Well he has a shit job to do to win over people with independent hearts. GOP has a bad reputation with people who fight for human progress.

My gut and things Ive seen makes still think he is a fraud.


Sorry.

Just curious...

Do you think he's more of a fraud then Obama or Romney? Why?

[inlet13]

We've gone over why he doesn't run as an independent a number of times. The guy is realistic. He knows that we live in a two-party system. He ran for President as a liberatarian in the past. He's learned from that, Perot and even Nader's outcomes. He knows that the only way to have a true lasting impact is to alter the two-party system from within.

In other words, he doesn't run as an Independent because he knows if he did, he would not impact policy whatsoever. An independent (or third party) candidate will not win, regardless of who they are. The only way to actually alter policy is to either win the Presidency or alter party platforms. He's trying to do that.

[SweetChildofMine]

So what your basically saying its okay for Ron Paul to change policy as President/Party Platform (if he makes it into office) but its a shit shame crying foul when Obama does it? thats just fucked up... and even if he did make it with this "integrity" what makes you think either party will let him make this change to the country?


OMG

[mikepegg44]

So what your basically saying its okay for Ron Paul to change policy as President/Platform (if he makes it into office) but its a shit shame crying foul when Obama does it? thats just fucked up... and even if he did make it with this "integrity" what makes you think either party will let him make this change to the country?


OMG

What policy changes has Obama enacted that currently, directly oppose the standard democratic platform/party direction? Does the democratic party want to throw him out?

which change in policy are you talking about specifically that has people up in " a shit shame crying foul" that opposes what the democratic party stands for?
as for what Ron Paul can do to change the system,

if you are talking about closing military bases around the world? easy he is the commander - in - chief.
auditing the fed. an executive order would probably cover it...
War on drugs is simply a case of executive power of adjusting schedule levels of the drugs. Which I believe they can do without congressional approval.
use the justice department to challenge laws and government actions that are unconstitutional.
VETO VETO VETO spending bills without balancing the budget
Veto bills that contain government subsidies.
Actually talk to the American people like grown ups and not a group of assholes.

[inlet13]

So what your basically saying its okay for Ron Paul to change policy as President/Party Platform (if he makes it into office) but its a shit shame crying foul when Obama does it? thats just fucked up... and even if he did make it with this "integrity" what makes you think either party will let him make this change to the country?


OMG

No offense, but I don't think you're even trying to understand.

You asked - why doesn't he run independent? I answered the question. He realizes he can't win as an independent, and therefore, nothing would be gained. His goal is to influence policy. The way to do that is to choose a party and sway that party's ideology towards his own. Has President Obama dramatically shifted the Democratic party platform? I'd argue, no he has not. Just like I'd say President Bush did not really shift the Republican party platform. I don't think either one really cared about shifting policies, they just wanted to be President. The two parties are machines and it takes real tough work to bend them. Those who try to bend the platform, are typically labeled and cast aside. This a guy who is trying to alter the machine, and based on his following, he could actually gain some ground with proper support and attention.

[Go Beavers]

Was almost like it was a joke, but it's not.

After reading these, I think I officially confirmed who the biggest kool-aid drinker in the entire MT is. I can't say I'm really that surprised based on previous posts praising everything Democrats do. Anyways... congrats,.. that's quite an accomplishment.

I'd be careful using a kool-aid reference in a Ron Paul thread. If anyone's supporters could be accused of cult-like behavior, it would be his.

What I meant by kool-aid drinker is someone with an unquestioning belief in a political party's ideology.

So, difference is - Ron Paul supporters don't toe the party line whatsoever. Most of them are either former Republicans or former Democrats who are/were disenchanted with their former party. In that very sense, it runs completely counter to being a kool-aid drinker. These supporters are people who basically abandoned their former ideology (or party), in favor of a new one.

And I would say that many of those supporters toe the line of the new ideology/party.

[SweetChildofMine]

No.

Its quite obvious you dont understand.

I still see both your answers as insane inhumane GOP fodder no matter how "liberal" and free you think you are from the mainstream GOP platform.


Jokingly, Id say you take the Ron Paul road. You'll be drinking piss in a desert with rioting abounds. Tell me how that Love Revolution works for you and come back and see me after you do.

[inlet13]

And I would say that many of those supporters toe the line of the new ideology/party.

Well, I suppose you could say they believe in the cause, but the difference is:

1) This is a semi-new / non-mainstream ideology, hoping to go mainstream, unlike the established ideologies/parties.
2) Those who are believe in the new ideology have already shown that they are capable of switching their views (most were R's or D's prior)

[inlet13]

No.

Its quite obvious you dont understand.

I still see both your answers as insane inhumane GOP fodder no matter how "liberal" and free you think you are from the mainstream GOP platform.


Jokingly, Id say you take the Ron Paul road. You'll be drinking piss in a desert with rioting abounds. Tell me how that Love Revolution works for you and come back and see me after you do.

mature.

[SweetChildofMine]

I actually think your arguments are honorable. But YOUR integrity does not deserve the worthiness of the likes of Ron Paul.

My opinion.

[mikepegg44]

No.

Its quite obvious you dont understand.

I still see both your answers as insane inhumane GOP fodder no matter how "liberal" and free you think you are from the mainstream GOP platform.


Jokingly, Id say you take the Ron Paul road. You'll be drinking piss in a desert with rioting abounds. Tell me how that Love Revolution works for you and come back and see me after you do.

do you think it is a successful policy to consistently spend more than you take in? do you think that is smart?

what don't I understand? How will he be the ruin of our country? why will I be in the desert drinking piss?

why don't you come back and see me when you are burning your worthless dollars for heat in a garbage can.

[SweetChildofMine]

By that time, Ill be dead so it doesnt matter to me and paths of Exodus from such a hell have already been laid.

But See, thats exactly what you want. Thats exactly what Ive been fighting to avoid. Dumb crap like this. So we can go in circles up to you, but see you still havent got the script on the pathways out. So. What is it gonna be?