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Re: No Need to Panic About Global Warming?

Postby lukin2006 » Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:10 am

polaris_x wrote:lukin2006 ... the national park service in the states is no longer selling bottled water in the grand canyon ... that is huge statement ... first, it was a significant expense to put in all these extra fountains and second, i'm pretty sure they generated quite a bit of revenue from bottled water sales ...


that's good hear...so true about the revenue...hopefully they see it as a worthwhile price to pay to help protect the environment.

I do my part...I only buy beer in glass bottles ;)...return to beer store...I read that they use 1 beer bottle 6 times...then i assume they must have a process to recycle it into more beer bottles.

Actually I do far more than that.
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Re: No Need to Panic About Global Warming?

Postby polaris_x » Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:10 am

inlet13 wrote:Ha ha ha.. you crack me up. You claim anyone who doesn't fully back Global Warming is a liar or is selling propaganda. You went as far to claim I'm a troll? Really? If so, you're a troll. Everyone here is a troll, unless they completely agree? You kidding?

You have to get your head out of the sand. You don't want a discussion, you want a monologue. You go spouting that putting forward new information on a subject is bad. Are you planning on burning books you don't agree with next?


i would love a discussion ... but all you do is post propaganda pieces and lies ... do you not see how infuriating it is when you have absolutely zero independent thought on the subject and all you do is post links that are consistently proven to be lies!??

again - go educate yourself on global warming ... form an articulate position based on your own critical thinking ... and contribute to the discussion ...

posting links that are proven to be lies just continues to prove my point ... and by not responding to them and just doing it over and over again IS TROLLING ...
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Re: No Need to Panic About Global Warming?

Postby polaris_x » Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:25 am

lukin2006 wrote:that's good hear...so true about the revenue...hopefully they see it as a worthwhile price to pay to help protect the environment.

I do my part...I only buy beer in glass bottles ;)...return to beer store...I read that they use 1 beer bottle 6 times...then i assume they must have a process to recycle it into more beer bottles.

Actually I do far more than that.


yeah ... if they can identify the waste stream ... and its primarily one type ... they can upcycle or recycle it pretty easily ... its why they separate the dark bottles from the green ones from the transparent ones ...
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Re: No Need to Panic About Global Warming?

Postby lukin2006 » Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:10 am

polaris_x wrote:
lukin2006 wrote:that's good hear...so true about the revenue...hopefully they see it as a worthwhile price to pay to help protect the environment.

I do my part...I only buy beer in glass bottles ;)...return to beer store...I read that they use 1 beer bottle 6 times...then i assume they must have a process to recycle it into more beer bottles.

Actually I do far more than that.


yeah ... if they can identify the waste stream ... and its primarily one type ... they can upcycle or recycle it pretty easily ... its why they separate the dark bottles from the green ones from the transparent ones ...


Everything I've read about the beer store recycling seems to be mostly positive...which is good :thumbup:.
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Re: No Need to Panic About Global Warming?

Postby inlet13 » Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:24 am

polaris_x wrote:
inlet13 wrote:Ha ha ha.. you crack me up. You claim anyone who doesn't fully back Global Warming is a liar or is selling propaganda. You went as far to claim I'm a troll? Really? If so, you're a troll. Everyone here is a troll, unless they completely agree? You kidding?

You have to get your head out of the sand. You don't want a discussion, you want a monologue. You go spouting that putting forward new information on a subject is bad. Are you planning on burning books you don't agree with next?


i would love a discussion ... but all you do is post propaganda pieces and lies ... do you not see how infuriating it is when you have absolutely zero independent thought on the subject and all you do is post links that are consistently proven to be lies!??

again - go educate yourself on global warming ... form an articulate position based on your own critical thinking ... and contribute to the discussion ...

posting links that are proven to be lies just continues to prove my point ... and by not responding to them and just doing it over and over again IS TROLLING ...


You don't want a discussion. You want me to completely agree with what you've trained yourself to "know" is certainty.

In a real world, every single thing you post on this subject could be considered "propaganda and lies" as much as anything I have posted on it or anyone else posts on the subject. In many cases there's entities behind those who come up with the research you bring to the table, and I'd admit that in many cases there are entities behind those who come up with the research which I've brought to the table. As I've stated earlier in the thread, you aren't doing the research, so you just "trust" it's right. I'm saying, "I don't know the answer here, but you're brainwashed if you don't at least question whether your position could be wrong".

In that sense, the concept of propaganda and lies depends on your position on the subject. If we stick with this framework mentioned above, you post propaganda and lies on this subject. You claim you have independent thought, but you aren't willing to consider the proposition that you're theory could be wrong. You immediately dismiss any subject matter brought to the table, in most cases without properly refuting the subject matter and just saying "it's lies and propaganda" and that "you've already refuted similar topics". If you do dig into the matter and do respond, you claim that the person posting needs to educate themselves, as if you're superior in intelligence or something.

My posts and presence here is not for you. You can dislike that I occasionally post because it falls against a policy or concept that you feel fervent about. Further, you certainly can discuss what you don't like or what you feel is non-factual. But, to claim that posting anything that you don't agree with is trolling just because you don't like it, is down right nonsensical and not only shows emotional immaturity, it shows a lack of an open mind. This is a political forum. Not everyone agrees. You want the subject of Global Warming, and the debate associated, to be closed. The reality is it's not and, most likely, won't be in our lifetime.

This is a possibility, IMHO:

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Re: No Need to Panic About Global Warming?

Postby bigdvs » Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:32 am

do'h i just saw that inlet had posted the 3 from drudge today already

more propaganda and lies, the mountains must be for big oil.
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Re: No Need to Panic About Global Warming?

Postby Thirty Bills Unpaid » Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:33 am

inlet13 wrote:
Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
inlet13 wrote:Earth's polar ice melting less than thought:
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/02/08/earths-polar-ice-melting-less-than-thought

New research - Himalaya's and nearby peaks have lost no ice in the past 10 years:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/feb/08/glaciers-mountains?intcmp=122

Researcher - "I feel duped on climate change"
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,813814,00.html


Do you know there are 'intellects' that deny the Holocaust?

You seem Hell bent on trying to convince people we are overreacting to global warming. Is this to ease your anxiety or do you actually believe it?


First, in my opinion, the concept of Global Warming and the Holocaust are not similar at all. One is a theory, with some empirical data backing it up, yet with some empirical holes in their methodology and data. The other was an act of genocide of millions of Jewish people. I feel that trying to liken the two is silly, and shows an inherent bias in an approach to both Global Warming and the Holocaust. But, that's my opinion. I believe most individuals would side with me here. Is that the case here at a liberal rock band's message board? Probably not... but, outside this bubble... it is.

Second, I am not hell bent on convincing anyone of anything. I am simply adding a piece to a discussion on a important topic; a topic that's typically muted in favor of one conceptual theory. Just because you don't like the fact that there are individuals who don't believe Global Warming is quite the problem that you do, does not make them any less credible or you any more credible. In fact, I would say, not listening to those who possess a different theory on the subject means you lack an open mind. A discussion on any theory, which we are attempting to be prove empirically, should involve a two-way dialogue.... not a one-way monologue. Your post, may provide evidence that you don't want to hear any information from the other side. That's not a good thing in my humble opinion, because it shows that if there were credible statistics disproving this theory, you most likely would not listen anyway.

Enjoy.


Duh. Of course they are different. This wasn't my point. My point was that people can believe what they want to believe. With all your talking, you're not doing enough listening. You're set in your mind.

And, you are wrong, sir. One is not void of an open mind when they choose to ignore people speaking nonsense. Just as I do not humour some religious groups that knock on my door unannounced, I choose to ignore rhetoric from misguided people.

I get it. Go ahead and ignore climate change. In the meantime, I will try to limit my consumption patterns and- in fact- I'll do a little extra to make up for people like you.

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Re: No Need to Panic About Global Warming?

Postby inlet13 » Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:43 am

Well, now it looks like it's actually debt that's causing "global warming" or "global cooling" or umm... global climate change:

http://silveristhenew.com/2012/01/11/soaring-debt-to-gdp-is-more-reponsible-for-global-warming-than-rising-co2-levels/
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Re: No Need to Panic About Global Warming?

Postby he still stands » Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:47 am

inlet13 wrote:Well, now it looks like it's actually debt that's causing "global warming" or "global cooling" or umm... global climate change:

http://silveristhenew.com/2012/01/11/soaring-debt-to-gdp-is-more-reponsible-for-global-warming-than-rising-co2-levels/


why do you insist on claiming that there's a debate on the "warming" aspect? there isn't.

this is like trying to listen to a Christian debate God.... it is just as logical.
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Re: No Need to Panic About Global Warming?

Postby Jeanwah » Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:50 am

he still stands wrote:
inlet13 wrote:Well, now it looks like it's actually debt that's causing "global warming" or "global cooling" or umm... global climate change:

http://silveristhenew.com/2012/01/11/soaring-debt-to-gdp-is-more-reponsible-for-global-warming-than-rising-co2-levels/


why do you insist on claiming that there's a debate on the "warming" aspect? there isn't.

this is like trying to listen to a Christian debate God.... it is just as logical.


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Re: No Need to Panic About Global Warming?

Postby inlet13 » Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:52 am

he still stands wrote:
inlet13 wrote:Well, now it looks like it's actually debt that's causing "global warming" or "global cooling" or umm... global climate change:

http://silveristhenew.com/2012/01/11/soaring-debt-to-gdp-is-more-reponsible-for-global-warming-than-rising-co2-levels/


why do you insist on claiming that there's a debate on the "warming" aspect? there isn't.

this is like trying to listen to a Christian debate God.... it is just as logical.



why don't you respond to the post? It's debt that's causing "warming".

P.S. Oh, and that's because the earth's been cooling, not warming for the past 10+ years.
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Re: No Need to Panic About Global Warming?

Postby he still stands » Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:30 pm

inlet13 wrote:
he still stands wrote:
inlet13 wrote:Well, now it looks like it's actually debt that's causing "global warming" or "global cooling" or umm... global climate change:

http://silveristhenew.com/2012/01/11/soaring-debt-to-gdp-is-more-reponsible-for-global-warming-than-rising-co2-levels/


why do you insist on claiming that there's a debate on the "warming" aspect? there isn't.

this is like trying to listen to a Christian debate God.... it is just as logical.



why don't you respond to the post? It's debt that's causing "warming".

P.S. Oh, and that's because the earth's been cooling, not warming for the past 10+ years.


you say that like it is a fact, when in reality it is an incredibly misguided opinion.
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Re: No Need to Panic About Global Warming?

Postby brianlux » Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:36 pm

My head hurts. Could it be that banging it against my desk is a bad idea? Much like ignoring the overwhelming evidence of global warming is a bad idea. I need some ibuprofen,
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Re: No Need to Panic About Global Warming?

Postby polaris_x » Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:45 pm

inlet13 wrote:why don't you respond to the post? It's debt that's causing "warming".

P.S. Oh, and that's because the earth's been cooling, not warming for the past 10+ years.


why should he respond when you don't respond? ... in your own thread?

i would love to hear what you think about the guy who took the metoffice information and completely distorted it? ... but alas - it's crickets on those points from you because you don't know what the heck anyone is talking about ... your inability to discuss the points in the articles you posted while still simultaneously perpetuating propaganda is a clear indication of your indoctrination ... it shouldn't be a surprise considering your viewpoints on other topics ... you want to call me close minded but yet you don't even understand the things you are posting and are strictly posting it because it supports your biased and unfortunately ignorant view point ...
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Re: No Need to Panic About Global Warming?

Postby polaris_x » Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:47 pm

inlet13 wrote:P.S. Oh, and that's because the earth's been cooling, not warming for the past 10+ years.


more proof of your ignorance and gullibility ... that is a false statement any which way you cut it ... it's a lie which is essentially what you've been posting in this thread from the get go ...
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