26 Things Non-Paul Voters Are Basically Saying

[brianlux]

What strikes me about this list is what it excludes. Woods mentions...

The economy (several times)
Education
Afghanistan
Cuba and Castro
Drugs and prison
The Constitution
Iraq
Gingrich
The Middle East,
"Indefinite detention for U.S. citizens"
The media
Romney

...but nowhere does he address environmental issues, particularly climate change.

So does that mean that Ron Paul supporters are saying, "We have all these things listed above to worry about- why bother with something as trivial as the environment?" I hope that's not what this means.

[WaveRyder]

Democrats are not addicted to welfare and saying something that downright silly isn't going to win you anything but rolled eyes.

I'm a democrat, a card carrying proud liberal and I'm willing to bet I make a hell of a lot more than you do. Not like it matters. We need to stop suggesting that republicans are all war mongers and democrats are all lazy and find a way to work together. And I don't personally think Ron Paul's "burn it all own, salt the earth and let people do whatever they want" is the answer.

And your list reads like it was written by a bratty high school student who says anyone with differing political views is stupid and uses terms like "conservatard" or "libby."

Whoa. I wasn't referring to income levels. I was saying dems are addicted to spending money on entitlement programs.even if we can't afford it..wasn't saying that ppl are dems because they're poor. Dems and repubs are addicted to spending money that we don't have. Sorry for the confusion. And its not my list....its a blog I thought id share here because I thought it was funny, sad and true. I didn't expect everybody to agree. Thanks for reading it, if you did.

[WaveRyder]

What strikes me about this list is what it excludes. Woods mentions...

The economy (several times)
Education
Afghanistan
Cuba and Castro
Drugs and prison
The Constitution
Iraq
Gingrich
The Middle East,
"Indefinite detention for U.S. citizens"
The media
Romney

...but nowhere does he address environmental issues, particularly climate change.

So does that mean that Ron Paul supporters are saying, "We have all these things listed above to worry about- why bother with something as trivial as the environment?" I hope that's not what this means.

That's a good observation. I think Woods realizes that most GOPers AREN'T that concerned with the environment, if anything they think the epa is too big. The intent of the blog is to sway primary voters. And I will admit the environment isn't a tenant of ron pauls campaign like the other things listed. Even so, its my opinion that he's the best option for president we've had in a long long time and the most reasonable republican candidate we've ever had.

[Prince Of Dorkness]

Whoa. I wasn't referring to income levels. I was saying dems are addicted to spending money on entitlement programs.even if we can't afford it..wasn't saying that ppl are dems because they're poor. Dems and repubs are addicted to spending money that we don't have. Sorry for the confusion. And its not my list....its a blog I thought id share here because I thought it was funny, sad and true. I didn't expect everybody to agree. Thanks for reading it, if you did.

Oh I always read the stuff you post. I seldom agree and I do poke at you with my devil's advocate arguments but I do at least try to understand what you're saying.

I don't agree about addicted to spending on entitlement programs. And usually when I ask specifically about which entitlements, people don't really have answers.

And if we pulled out of the war, we'd have plenty of money. Or taxed the people who have the money. Im one of the people who would pay more if the bush tax cuts expired. And I'm just fine with that. We'd all be better off.

[kenny olav]

Voters, it turns out, aren't naively idealistic libertarians. Ron Paul does speak some truth that the other Republicans will either avoid or ignorantly disavow, but he's still ignorant about reality in many ways himself.

Most people are not paranoid when it comes to the role of government. Most people think that the government should make sure everyone has health insurance, for example.

Ron Paul would not just abolish the Fed (which is probably a dumb idea), but he'd also abolish the HUD, which is an extremely dumb idea. Does he want to send all of the nation's homeless out into the mountains to look for gold, since it's the only viable currency, apparently?

He's an just old fool, mining for fools' gold, and he's found a lot of it out there, but he'll never find enough fools to get himself elected President.

[unsung]

This is a flip flop:

I watch so much bs it was a flip flop on a GOP policy like the rest of them. I flipped from news channel to another and viola! he was speaking live against just what I saw him speak live for. Sorry, I didnt write it down, it was last year at this time. Thats all I remember, after that point it was enough for me to turn him off.

A specific on the issue, I dont remember. I do remember when I first see him speak I was like wow! nice guy, flipped the channel and said holy crap was I wrong! Channel flipping from MSNBC to Fox.

I call BS.

[Nevermind90]

wont bother to read the thread but I can answer it myself, they pretty much say they are 100% <cough> retarded <cough>...

[mikepegg44]

I don't follow the specific antics of Ron Paul. I have though see him flip flop political views in the matter of flipping from news channel to news channel. Which has turned me off completely.

then surely you can give an example of a flipflop.

This is a flip flop:

I watch so much bs it was a flip flop on a GOP policy like the rest of them. I flipped from news channel to another and viola! he was speaking live against just what I saw him speak live for. Sorry, I didnt write it down, it was last year at this time. Thats all I remember, after that point it was enough for me to turn him off.

A specific on the issue, I dont remember. I do remember when I first see him speak I was like wow! nice guy, flipped the channel and said holy crap was I wrong! Channel flipping from MSNBC to Fox.

unless you can specifically mention what it was, it didn't happen.

seriously...you don't just get to come on here and say he flip flopped and not give AT LEAST one example of how.

[mikepegg44]

Young voters are enamored by his lies.

which lies?

[mikepegg44]

I want to be spoken to like this: “My fellow Americans, you are the awesomest of the awesome, and the only reason anyone in the world might be unhappy with your government is because of your sheer awesomeness.


If someone has a drug problem, prison rape is the best solution I can think of.


I think it’s a good idea to vote for Mitt Romney, whose top three donors are Goldman Sachs, Credit Suisse, and Morgan Stanley, and a bad idea to vote for Ron Paul, whose top three donors are the U.S. Army, the U.S. Navy, and the U.S. Air Force.

I like reading Tom Woods. He gets fired up a lot...and he nailed it with this list


RON PAUL WILL NOT CUT MEDICARE, MEDICAID OR SOCIAL SECURITY for those currently on it. and will phase people out and allow those in the future to opt out at a young age. There are ways to fund these programs people have become dependent on and he starts by saying ending the wars and bringing the troops home will cover most of it...what a moron. Can we please stop with the medicare medicaid demagoguery.

[SweetChildofMine]

I think he is a fraud. Sorry.

I dont particullarly think he GOP affiliation is helping his "liberal but conservative" image. Oxymoron in itself.


I have this reoccuring picture of Jeff Dunham's puppet Walter in my head.

[pandora]

wish I could take a little of every candidate and roll it into one
add some common sense, omit the party baggage, and them believe my vote
and that person could really make a difference

[mikepegg44]

I think he is a fraud. Sorry.

I dont particullarly think he GOP affiliation is helping his "liberal but conservative" image. Oxymoron in itself.


I have this reoccuring picture of Jeff Dunham's puppet Walter in my head.

you don't have to apologize for thinking someone is a fraud, but you must have a reason...otherwise it is simply perception from misunderstanding...I don't think anyone would call Paul a fraud save for Lawrence O'Donnell..you can call him an asshole, you can call him crazy for thinking he can actually change the GOP from the inside, you can all him misguided for wanting to return to an actual constitutionally limited government...but a fraud? not a label put on him often
honestly, this may sound a bit mean...but it is that kind of attitude...support based on perception and promises and not a record of actions that gets us into trouble as a country time and time again. GWB said he was a small government conservative and fooled a lot of people...then when it was time to vote again, the same ones who supported him as a small government conservative believed in his government expansion the second time around again and somehow thought he was still a conservative...
People thought Obama was going to change the world...why, because he SAID he was different...now that he has been proven to not be different...people will still support him...I don't understand and will never understand. This whole lesser of two evils thing will bring the end to our republic.
We have been doing things the same way for at least the last 100 years...the Federal Reserve and government economic intervention have had at least 100 years to make a difference...and they have gotten us to what we have today. Is it ok to live here...yes...could it be absolutely better...yes...and yet we as a nation continue to do things the same way and expect that to somehow create a "better" nation. I wish I didn't care about politics at all...life would be much easier.

[Go Beavers]

RON PAUL WILL NOT CUT MEDICARE, MEDICAID OR SOCIAL SECURITY for those currently on it.

Maybe Ron has said more about the issue of Medicaid than what's on his web pages, but what's on them regarding Medicaid is pretty narrow and dim. On Ronnpaul.com, he hooks the 'I'm a victim of taxes' crowed with the question: "Why should anyone be forced to subsidize the medical care of others?" and then goes on to essentially say that poor people will get free healthcare through charity. He doesn't directly say that Medicaid would be gone, but that's what can be taken from it, as he also goes on about government not being involved in healthcare (as he will work to prevent 'opportunist politicians' from having any sort of unhealthy influence over out bodies).

On Ronpaul2012, the only reference to Medicaid I could see was that he wants to keep the money intended for it to not get "raided" for other things. Maybe you could see that as a flip-flop by omission.

[SweetChildofMine]

quote="mikepegg44"]

I don't follow the specific antics of Ron Paul. I have though see him flip flop political views in the matter of flipping from news channel to news channel. Which has turned me off completely.

then surely you can give an example of a flipflop.

This is a flip flop:

I watch so much bs it was a flip flop on a GOP policy like the rest of them. I flipped from news channel to another and viola! he was speaking live against just what I saw him speak live for. Sorry, I didnt write it down, it was last year at this time. Thats all I remember, after that point it was enough for me to turn him off.

A specific on the issue, I dont remember. I do remember when I first see him speak I was like wow! nice guy, flipped the channel and said holy crap was I wrong! Channel flipping from MSNBC to Fox.

unless you can specifically mention what it was, it didn't happen.

seriously...you don't just get to come on here and say he flip flopped and not give AT LEAST one example of how.[/quote]

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I just did. It happened. Ive seen alot of things. The things I worry about and fight for then to see that shit is an instant toss.