mikepegg44 wrote:scb wrote:mikepegg44 wrote:Teachers should be held to a higher standard than other professions because it is so hard for them to be fired for poor performance. I HAVE to be union employee and am disgusted by my co-workers on a daily basis. The union protects the poor performers much more than the positve hard working ones. Unfortunately for everyone that means bad teachers get to keep their jobs for quite a long time as long as they do the MINIMUM required not to get fired. That just seems wrong. They are public employees more or less and that gives the right to people to complain more than most other professions. I don't know of one profession I have had where I was not held accountable for my performance. If kids do great, then perfect the teacher gets rewards and accolades, but if the kids do poorly they talk about the underfunded schools and how hard their job is. Poor you. it is never the teachers fault. They should be held accountable for how their kids perform. I am not saying tie their pay to how their kids do as far as grades go, but there should be an improvement in every class room as far as testable knowledge. one kid can not care and screw off, but on average a whole class should improve or the teacher needs to change something up and be held accountable if that trend continues.
And what if the whole class is filled with kids who don't care and screw off?
it is the job of the teacher to not have that. Simple enough, if the kids don't care it is the job of the educators to reach out and grab them. You cannot get through life worrying about what ifs...Kids need tachers who won't let that stop them. If the people don't want to give that much effort they should choose a different profession.
I don't feel like your sense of what all teachers should be doing is really grounded in reality for all teachers.
Let me tell you about my mom's class: My mom teaches high school special ed and, because she handles them best, gets many of the behaviorly disordered and emotionally disturbed kids, as well as kids who just have major learning disabilities. It's nothing short of a miracle that her kids generally improve. She gets all kinds of students with all different kinds of learning disabilities in one class together, so there is no specific teaching method that can be used for the whole class.
She deals with kids who are violent, who are in gangs, who threaten her, who start fights in her classroom, who are kicked out of other schools, who are serial child molesters, who murder people, and who then call her from prison to say she's the best teacher they ever had. She deals with kids who miss school on a regular basis because they are homeless, pregnant, high, apathetic, too poor to get a ride when they miss the bus, have to work to support their parents/siblings/children, etc. She deals with kids who regularly come to class completely high but come to school to sell drugs. She deals with kids who are bounced around from foster home to foster home, who are rarely able to participate in any sports team or extracurricular activity, and who are ridiculed by the rest of the student body for being in special ed. And these are just their social problems that affect their education - they still have the myriad learning disabilities that got them put in her class in the first place.
When kids are dealing with these social issues, they are much less able to focus and learn. (Remember Maslow's heirarchy of needs? Remember Ed's story about dropping out of school because the teachers couldn't understand that he was falling asleep in class because he was up late working to pay his bills?) Because she knows this - and because she loves the kids and knows that they need to know it and trust her before they will learn from her - my mom helps them get pregnancy tests and prenatal care and throws them baby showers. She gives them rides home from school and gives them and their parents rides to work. She uses her last bit of money to buy them food when they can't afford to eat. She spends her prep periods and after school time listening to & helping kids who just turned 18 and are being kicked out of their foster homes, who don't know how to handle their parents' drug addiction, who are too afraid to mingle with the other kids at lunch or ride the buses home, or who just need extra help with their homework. She even gives some of the kids her home phone number and they call her at night, on weekends, over the summers, and long after they have graduated when they find themselves in situations that they don't know how to handle, with no one they can turn to for support.
And in between all of this, she must teach the kids. She must ensure that every single one of them progresses at a standardized rate, despite their non-standard abilities and situations. She must meet the goals set by people who have never taught special ed and face the judement of people who have never taught at all.
So, on behalf of my mom & all the other hard-working teachers out there in reality, I take offense to your suggestion that teachers whose classes are filled with kids who don't care and who screw off are simply not putting forth a good enough effort and should choose another profession. Actually, the more I think about it, the more offended I become.