The Official Philadelphia Flyers Thread

[neilybabes86]

hope he can play defense

although their isn't gonna be a season regardless

[81]

although their isn't gonna be a season regardless

i think there will be some sort of season...maybe not a full season, but a season none the less

[jamminpearls]

3.84-3.97mill is a very good price for Simmonds,good job Homer!!!!

[Dr. Delight]

3.84-3.97mill is a very good price for Simmonds,good job Homer!!!!

It will be even less once the salary rollback occurs in the new CBA. Then it will prob settle around $3M/per.

[Dr. Delight]

There are some scary possibilities to be forthcoming in the new CBA: Such as,

The NHLPA’s proposal contains a three-year term for a new CBA with an option for a fourth year. Notably, the proposal contains a measure which would result in the players receiving a reduced proportion of HRR (hockey-related revenue) resulting in increased revenue sharing which could be as much as $250 million per year, assuming the financial growth of the NHL continues at the pace in which it has grown since 2005. This, Fehr and the NHLPA proposes, will create a “more stable industry” in the NHL.

As Jeff Marek of Sportsnet wisely notes, this concession by the players will end up pitting the owners against one another. Instead of this being a wholesale issue of “players versus owners”, the players are essentially saying, “We’ll back out of this debate and proverbially ‘take one for the team’. Now that there is going to be more money in the pool, you owners need to sit down and discuss amongst yourselves how that revenue is going to be split up.” As one might imagine, big market clubs are none-too-enthusiastic about footing the bill for player salaries on small market clubs.

Put bluntly, it would mean that the Flyers would end up helping a team like the Predators pay for Shea Weber’s $110 million contract.


Regarding the salary cap–another contentious issue–Fehr stated to reporters that a “hard” salary cap would remain in place with “a couple small exceptions”. John Shannon of Sportsnet has announced that part of the NHLPA proposal includes the option for teams to “trade” cap space. While unspecific on exactly what this means, the impression I get is that, for example, Team X can trade $2 million in cap space to Team Y for a player or players. Team Y would then be in a position to exceed the salary cap by $2 million while Team X acquires the players and has their salary cap reduced by $2 million. The amount of money in the pool would be the same; it would simply be redistributed differently. This may also explain what Fehr meant by there being a “hard” cap with “a couple small exceptions”.

Larry Brooks of the New York Post clarified the issue of “trading cap space”. He explains that teams will be allowed to go as high as $4 million above the salary cap ceiling and $4 million below the cap floor. Furthermore, the proposal contains provisions for additional draft picks given to smaller market teams to do with as they please (develop, trade, “sell” for cap space) .Yeah, lets help the small market teams some more. UNREAL. The NHLPA has also proposed a limit on non-player spending on teams.

[MayDay10]

I have a problem with the Networks who won the "bid" for the US broadcast rights to the NHL funding one of its teams. Seems like a windfall from everyone and a conflict of interest.

Without revenue sharing, the league cannot sustain itself. There are about 6 teams who make a lot of money mostly due to their media market. Fan support does not mean all that much. There are teams who can sell out every game, but cant get out of the red unless they make it to the Conference Finals. We cant go back to 6 teams bidding on every star player, while the other markets get an assortment of scrubs and hopefully make a run every 5, 10 years or so. It is great when every team has a collection of stars and we dont see a $140 million dollar payroll vs a $35 million dollar payroll. Not only that, people in growing markets that cant afford good players will lose interest.
Half the league (at least) would fall into obscurity or disband completely.

It has worked in the NFL and helped grow that league to mammoth proportions. There is an emphasis on developing and keeping good players, while complimenting them with the right FAs. Its a lot better than just a race to outspend everyone else and remind us what is wrong with sports.


The best way I can see it, is revenue sharing, grow all 30 teams, increase the TV footprint and corporate involvement. That way the bottom teams will be more and more profitable. They would also be more attractive to wealthy owners adding to the stability of the league, innovation, quality of facilities, etc.

[Dr. Delight]

My opinion, if a franchise cannot sustain itself without riding the backs of numerous other teams for financial"help", then said franchise should either be disbanded or shipped to another locale with enough fan support to build and keep a healthy organization.

And now the league wants to possibly reward poorer teams with added draft picks and compensation. Screw that. It's just ridiculous. This is ugly.
This is going to be owner vs owners and I can easily see a third lockout coming under Bettmans tenure.

[81]

My opinion, if a franchise cannot sustain itself without riding the backs of numerous other teams for financial"help", then said franchise should either be disbanded or shipped to another locale with enough fan support to build and keep a healthy organization.

And now the league wants to possibly reward poorer teams with added draft picks and compensation. Screw that. It's just ridiculous. This is ugly.
This is going to be owner vs owners and I can easily see a third lockout coming under Bettmans tenure.

i sort of disagree with this as not all markets are not built equally. if you take your stance, your are looking at NY, Philly, Boston, Chicago, Toronto and a couple others being able to support teams, while 2/3rd of the league move every 5-10 years looking for handouts.

[MayDay10]

well, in fairness, that is the players' proposal which isnt close to what we will see.

The league cant sustain itself in places even where there is support. There are probably only 1 - 3 places remaining that there would be rapid support: Toronto/Ontario II, Quebec City, and maybe Seattle. If/When the Canadian dollar sinks, most of the Canadian teams will suffer (EDM, CAL, OTT, WIN, maybe VAN).
Other than that, the next choices would be KC, Houston, OKC... ugh.

I just dont want to see the league revert back to Philly, Rangers, Detroit, and Toronto bidding on every decent player.

I understand your side too, being a fan of a big market team, but for 75% of the league it sucks ass. Buffalo sells out every game, sells a lot of merch, huge TV ratings, but still loses money.

[Dr. Delight]

well, in fairness, that is the players' proposal which isnt close to what we will see.

The league cant sustain itself in places even where there is support. There are probably only 1 - 3 places remaining that there would be rapid support: Toronto/Ontario II, Quebec City, and maybe Seattle. If/When the Canadian dollar sinks, most of the Canadian teams will suffer (EDM, CAL, OTT, WIN, maybe VAN).
Other than that, the next choices would be KC, Houston, OKC... ugh.

I just dont want to see the league revert back to Philly, Rangers, Detroit, and Toronto bidding on every decent player.

I understand your side too, being a fan of a big market team, but for 75% of the league it sucks ass. Buffalo sells out every game, sells a lot of merch, huge TV ratings, but still loses money.

At least Buff now has an owner with some money in his pockets.
Something needs to break here. Remember the last lockout, all us fans kept hearing was, ticket prices will be lowered, blah, blah.. It didnt happen.

The league is paying its players way too high a percentage of its total league revenue. Most of it is the fault of the owners really. This league isnt the NFL,NBA or MLB. Not even close.
It sounds to me that in the NHLPA proposal, the players agreed to drop the percentage of their salaries(of the TLR). Salaries would roll back. Only if and when revenue increases, would salaries also begin to increase by a certain percentage. Sounds good to me.

A big help would be for the owners to finally lower these ticket prices. Unfortunately, they are prob afraid of losing team revenue. But this, combined with lower salary percentages, would definitely go a ways toward helping teams have better bottom lines. Lower tix= higher attendance= higher concessions, etc.

Then again, none of that matters to the teams that dont want to spend money to improve the on-ice product and build up the fan base. I cant stand the teams that hover around the cap floor, then bitch and moan when they arent successful and wonder why nobody wants to pay $60 per ticket to watch their crappy team. If an owner doesnt have the cash to field a competitive team and is looking for handouts, then the team should be relocated or disbanded IMO. Thats my biggest complaint. You already have the league handing money to Bettmans Phoenix Coyotes to stay afloat, because he wants to save face on his epic expansion plan that backfired.

Guess we'll find out what happens, but I'm not optimistic.

[Dr. Delight]

Hartnell re-signed for 6 yrs



The Philadelphia Flyers announced today that they have re-signed 6-2, 210-lb left wing Scott Hartnell to a multi-year contract extension, according to General Manager Paul Holmgren.

“We are pleased to announce that we have agreed with Scott on a multi-year extension,” said Holmgren. “Scott has been a very good player for us over the last five seasons and we look forward to many more good years to come.”

“I am very happy to be staying in Philly to continue my career playing in front of the best fans in the NHL," said Hartnell. "I would like to thank Mr. Snider and the entire Flyers organization.”

[fife]

My opinion, if a franchise cannot sustain itself without riding the backs of numerous other teams for financial"help", then said franchise should either be disbanded or shipped to another locale with enough fan support to build and keep a healthy organization.

And now the league wants to possibly reward poorer teams with added draft picks and compensation. Screw that. It's just ridiculous. This is ugly.
This is going to be owner vs owners and I can easily see a third lockout coming under Bettmans tenure.

While I agree with you on this i don't see both the owners and the players agreeing to close teams down and I don't see the NHL agreeing to moving of the teams.

there is going to be a lockout and that is 100% certain. what i see happening is that the nhl and nhlpa will agree to a 50-50 split, I see UFA going up to 27 year old and a bit more in revenue sharing but not alot.

[fife]

Hartnell re-signed for 6 yrs



The Philadelphia Flyers announced today that they have re-signed 6-2, 210-lb left wing Scott Hartnell to a multi-year contract extension, according to General Manager Paul Holmgren.

“We are pleased to announce that we have agreed with Scott on a multi-year extension,” said Holmgren. “Scott has been a very good player for us over the last five seasons and we look forward to many more good years to come.”

“I am very happy to be staying in Philly to continue my career playing in front of the best fans in the NHL," said Hartnell. "I would like to thank Mr. Snider and the entire Flyers organization.”

great signing but do we know how much the cap is. I am worried about them signing all these players when they really need to get some d-man.

[Dr. Delight]

Hartnell re-signed for 6 yrs



The Philadelphia Flyers announced today that they have re-signed 6-2, 210-lb left wing Scott Hartnell to a multi-year contract extension, according to General Manager Paul Holmgren.

“We are pleased to announce that we have agreed with Scott on a multi-year extension,” said Holmgren. “Scott has been a very good player for us over the last five seasons and we look forward to many more good years to come.”

“I am very happy to be staying in Philly to continue my career playing in front of the best fans in the NHL," said Hartnell. "I would like to thank Mr. Snider and the entire Flyers organization.”

great signing but do we know how much the cap is. I am worried about them signing all these players when they really need to get some d-man.

Just read it is 6yrs/ $4.75 per

[fife]

Hartnell re-signed for 6 yrs



The Philadelphia Flyers announced today that they have re-signed 6-2, 210-lb left wing Scott Hartnell to a multi-year contract extension, according to General Manager Paul Holmgren.

“We are pleased to announce that we have agreed with Scott on a multi-year extension,” said Holmgren. “Scott has been a very good player for us over the last five seasons and we look forward to many more good years to come.”

“I am very happy to be staying in Philly to continue my career playing in front of the best fans in the NHL," said Hartnell. "I would like to thank Mr. Snider and the entire Flyers organization.”

great signing but do we know how much the cap is. I am worried about them signing all these players when they really need to get some d-man.

Just read it is 6yrs/ $4.75 per

thanks, its not showing on tsn here in toronto