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Postby musicismylife78 » Sun Apr 15, 2012 12:52 pm

this has long been a topic of interest to me. To relate a personal anecdote, as a kid, i was 10 in 1991, and obviously was hugely altered by the music of the time especially grunge. and like many parents back then, my parents didnt understand that the songs meant something to me and my generation, even at age 10. I knew the music was special even back then, even before i could really articulate why or how. i just knew. Anyways, they took away my Nevermind and In Utero tapes, because they felt the content of the songs were jarring and inappropriate, and i was singing the songs to them at dinner. I dont agree with what my parents did, i dont think taking away music from a child, a teen, is wise nor is it productive nor will it alter the child's view of the thing. I couldnt listen to the music on my own, but if i was around people who listened to it, i could listen to the albums. this was of course in the days before napster and filesharing,

So my question for all of you is, did similar things happen to you as a kid? maybe not with nirvana specifically, but maybe hip hop, or books, or movies, did you parents prevent you from some of that stuff?

And the second part of this is just an open ended question of, i do obviously think real young kids should be shielded from violent or objectionable art or images or music, or books. But what age is it okay? Will you and do you prevent your kids from some movies and music? What about when they are teens? How do you decide whats objectionable and whats okay? If i have a kid, when they turn 13, i plan on giving them all the music, books, movies, that got me through the teen years and continue to get me through. I wish my parents had done that with me. Lets face it, Nirvana and art isnt the enemy. Its what got me through those years. Its what got me through last year. Its what will get me through this year. And some of that stuff has content on it that is objectionable.

Nowadays i dont think you can really prevent kids from viewing that type of art. A parent in 2012 may not want their kid to listen to the new hip hop album of the week, but theres really no way a parent can prevent the child from hearing it. Thats troubling when we are talking about a 7 year old, but not so much in my view when we talk about a teen. same with movies and books. its all so accessible.

Specific examples I guess would be something like Thirteen, or Kids, hip hop, many many albums of various genres, books. Is their content there that isnt appropriate? absolutely. but im not sure that preventing people from viewing that art is the answer. But also in those pieces of work, are important things. Important lessons. ideas, themes. Ive long viewed art, my own and others as allowing me to work through and understand and make sense of the world. its how i deal with it all. And when someone is prevented from that outlet, i dont think thats helpful at all.

I think you prevent young kids obviously from access and viewing it, but i think once they become a teen they should have access to all movies, and music, and books. i think its essential even.
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Re: Preventing kids from "objectionable" art

Postby StillHere » Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:26 pm

i was kept from a lot of things that my mom found objectionable when i was a kid
not that it was even bad, its just that she didn't like it.. or she didn't like certain people
bill cosby for one...not bad at all for a kid...but she didn't like him so i wasn't allowed to listen
the Beatles...no way...don't ask me why she objected to them but she did...then when i was a teenager she started humming Beatles songs while cooking dinner each night..go figure
she probably heard something from one of her friends and didn't really know one way or the other
a lot of stuff like that
meanwhile she and her friends read playboy... for the stories.. i never quite figured that one out

anyway, no i don't agree with keeping kids from art unless it promotes violence or sex beyond their years (for instance movies that depict really nasty gorey violence....it depends on what/how or movies with explicit sex in them).

BUT i do have to say that when my own daughter was about 10 years old...and maybe 11, 12..around there...she was going around singing top of her lungs...Nirvana's "Rape Me" ...she had NO IDEA what she was saying. None at all. So I was left with..explain rape to a 10 year old or forbid her to listen to that music. Needless to say, I ended up explaining...in ten year old terms, what the words meant, and she stopped singing it, at least out loud..until she got older that is ;)

I would rather explain objectionable things in terms that a child can relate to and have them decide not to sing it, watch it, whatever, on their own. In my experience, it works out much better that way.
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Re: Preventing kids from "objectionable" art

Postby Loulou » Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:50 pm

StillHere wrote:i was kept from a lot of things that my mom found objectionable when i was a kid
not that it was even bad, its just that she didn't like it.. or she didn't like certain people
bill cosby for one...not bad at all for a kid...but she didn't like him so i wasn't allowed to listen
the Beatles...no way...don't ask me why she objected to them but she did...then when i was a teenager she started humming Beatles songs while cooking dinner each night..go figure
she probably heard something from one of her friends and didn't really know one way or the other
a lot of stuff like that
meanwhile she and her friends read playboy... for the stories.. i never quite figured that one out
anyway, no i don't agree with keeping kids from art unless it promotes violence or sex beyond their years (for instance movies that depict really nasty gorey violence....it depends on what/how or movies with explicit sex in them).
BUT i do have to say that when my own daughter was about 10 years old...and maybe 11, 12..around there...she was going around singing top of her lungs...Nirvana's "Rape Me" ...she had NO IDEA what she was saying. None at all. So I was left with..explain rape to a 10 year old or forbid her to listen to that music. Needless to say, I ended up explaining...in ten year old terms, what the words meant, and she stopped singing it, at least out loud..until she got older that is ;)
I would rather explain objectionable things in terms that a child can relate to and have them decide not to sing it, watch it, whatever, on their own. In my experience, it works out much better that way.


I got reprimanded when I was in primary school after a creative writing task. They had started off with a story about a boy and you had to finish it so I said that he got taken to the woods and found the rest of the townsfolk trapped inside a big cage and I explained in detail all the screaming, crying and things that were happening to them. :lol: They rang my Mum and everything and when I got home, she congratulated me on my creative flair. :lol:

I think you should keep things age appropriate, kids are going to see things, hear things beyond their years and like Jo said, you just have to do your best to explain it to them.
That's a given but I don't think it's necessary to scare the crap out of them with horror flicks or expose them to sexual content in things either. I've seen some of the highly sexually explicit music videos they have on in the morning??? Why not put that shit on at night?? :roll: having a little girl, it's not right that she should have to see these women with nothing on gyrating and teaching her sex sells. I guess that's my only beef with music these days.
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Re: Preventing kids from "objectionable" art

Postby brianlux » Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:59 pm

I think this has been an on-going dilemma for parents for many years. What's changed is the degree to which society sees things as objectionable or acceptable. My folks were very unhappy when the Beatles and Stones came along because it was all so different from what they new. By the time Jimi Hendrix arrived on the scene they were totally perplexed. And of course Elvis and his swinging hips started the whole mess. :lol:

I think if kids are brought up with openness, honesty and love they'll figure out what is ok and what is not and music in of itself won't change that in them.
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Re: Preventing kids from "objectionable" art

Postby Loulou » Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:04 pm

brianlux wrote:I think this has been an on-going dilemma for parents for many years. What's changed is the degree to which society sees things as objectionable or acceptable. My folks were very unhappy when the Beatles and Stones came along because it was all so different from what they new. By the time Jimi Hendrix arrived on the scene they were totally perplexed. And of course Elvis and his swinging hips started the whole mess. :lol:

I think if kids are brought up with openness, honesty and love they'll figure out what is ok and what is not and music in of itself won't change that in them.

Yeah, good morals are really important. This kid kicked my little one in the tummy yesterday at the park and his Mum sat there and said nothing. :roll: :( if he wasn't 3 I would have given him a good smacking! :lol: I just told my daughter that he was really naughty and not to kick. Pisses me off though when parents don't instill good behaviour in their children.
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Re: Preventing kids from "objectionable" art

Postby Get_Right » Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:18 pm

Generally, the only thing I protect my kids from is things that are too violent. Guns, war games, graphic depictions of violence etc...

I am about three years away from the sex questions, so I will deal with that when the time comes.

But I would have to say that I wont be playing Rape Me near my kids anytime soon. Same with blood.While the kids do like rock, I try to keep it upbeat, like rocking in the free world!
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Re: Preventing kids from "objectionable" art

Postby DS1119 » Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:22 pm

Loulou wrote:
brianlux wrote:I think this has been an on-going dilemma for parents for many years. What's changed is the degree to which society sees things as objectionable or acceptable. My folks were very unhappy when the Beatles and Stones came along because it was all so different from what they new. By the time Jimi Hendrix arrived on the scene they were totally perplexed. And of course Elvis and his swinging hips started the whole mess. :lol:

I think if kids are brought up with openness, honesty and love they'll figure out what is ok and what is not and music in of itself won't change that in them.

Yeah, good morals are really important. This kid kicked my little one in the tummy yesterday at the park and his Mum sat there and said nothing. :roll: :( if he wasn't 3 I would have given him a good smacking! :lol: I just told my daughter that he was really naughty and not to kick. Pisses me off though when parents don't instill good behaviour in their children.



This reminds me of a funny story...now. :lol: I was at a New Year's Eve party in '06 and one couple had brought their children. It's the kind of couple that doesn't believe in disciplining their children at all. They have the attitude that kids would figure it out. :roll: The kid was either five or six. Well at the time I had a hernia and was to have my surgery the follwing week so stuff in the southern regions was quite sore. I walk into the house and I'm greeting people and the kid comes up and punches me dead in the balls. I mean it was square on and it hurt like a mother. I never wanted to kick the shit out of a kid more than that point. My girlfriend actually had to escort me into another room because I wanted to go after the little fuck's father for not even saying anything. :lol:
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Re: Preventing kids from "objectionable" art

Postby mookeywrench » Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:26 pm

Get_Right wrote:Generally, the only thing I protect my kids from is things that are too violent. Guns, war games, graphic depictions of violence etc...

I am about three years away from the sex questions, so I will deal with that when the time comes.

But I would have to say that I wont be playing Rape Me near my kids anytime soon. Same with blood.While the kids do like rock, I try to keep it upbeat, like rocking in the free world!


I listened to nirvana when I was 9 or 10. The thing is, all the lyrics and their underlying context just went right over my head at that age. The meaning behind the lyrics were as understandable as a Sigur Ros song. It was just about the music.
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Re: Preventing kids from "objectionable" art

Postby StillHere » Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:26 pm

@ DS1119 ^^^ O. M. G. i hate to laugh but now..that its over... :lol: :lol:
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Re: Preventing kids from "objectionable" art

Postby StillHere » Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:28 pm

mookeywrench wrote:
Get_Right wrote:Generally, the only thing I protect my kids from is things that are too violent. Guns, war games, graphic depictions of violence etc...

I am about three years away from the sex questions, so I will deal with that when the time comes.

But I would have to say that I wont be playing Rape Me near my kids anytime soon. Same with blood.While the kids do like rock, I try to keep it upbeat, like rocking in the free world!


I listened to nirvana when I was 9 or 10. The thing is, all the lyrics and their underlying context just went right over my head at that age. The meaning behind the lyrics were as understandable as a Sigur Ros song. It was just about the music.


yes, the words went over her head too..but that didn't stop her from screaming along with the song top of her lungs....thanks big brother :roll:
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Re: Preventing kids from "objectionable" art

Postby DS1119 » Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:31 pm

StillHere wrote:@ DS1119 ^^^ O. M. G. i hate to laugh but now..that its over... :lol: :lol:



I laugth now :lol: but at the time :evil: . The child or the parents have yet to apoligize to this day.
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Postby Loulou » Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:33 pm

LOL!! I just spat my coffee! What a little bugger! :lol: I don't believe in smacking but I tell you what I really felt like belting that kid yesterday. :? He came back and actually pushed her too. It was so sad because SHE said "oooops sorry" poor little monkey. :(
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Loulou wrote:
brianlux wrote:I think this has been an on-going dilemma for parents for many years. What's changed is the degree to which society sees things as objectionable or acceptable. My folks were very unhappy when the Beatles and Stones came along because it was all so different from what they new. By the time Jimi Hendrix arrived on the scene they were totally perplexed. And of course Elvis and his swinging hips started the whole mess. :lol:

I think if kids are brought up with openness, honesty and love they'll figure out what is ok and what is not and music in of itself won't change that in them.

Yeah, good morals are really important. This kid kicked my little one in the tummy yesterday at the park and his Mum sat there and said nothing. :roll: :( if he wasn't 3 I would have given him a good smacking! :lol: I just told my daughter that he was really naughty and not to kick. Pisses me off though when parents don't instill good behaviour in their children.



This reminds me of a funny story...now. :lol: I was at a New Year's Eve party in '06 and one couple had brought their children. It's the kind of couple that doesn't believe in disciplining their children at all. They have the attitude that kids would figure it out. :roll: The kid was either five or six. Well at the time I had a hernia and was to have my surgery the follwing week so stuff in the southern regions was quite sore. I walk into the house and I'm greeting people and the kid comes up and punches me dead in the balls. I mean it was square on and it hurt like a mother. I never wanted to kick the shit out of a kid more than that point. My girlfriend actually had to escort me into another room because I wanted to go after the little fuck's father for not even saying anything. :lol:
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Postby DS1119 » Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:36 pm

Loulou wrote:LOL!! I just spat my coffee! What a little bugger! :lol: I don't believe in smacking but I tell you what I really felt like belting that kid yesterday. :? He came back and actually pushed her too. It was so sad because SHE said "oooops sorry" poor little monkey. :(



I think my parent's smacked my weekly when I was a kid. :lol:
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Postby Loulou » Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:39 pm

DS1119 wrote:
Loulou wrote:LOL!! I just spat my coffee! What a little bugger! :lol: I don't believe in smacking but I tell you what I really felt like belting that kid yesterday. :? He came back and actually pushed her too. It was so sad because SHE said "oooops sorry" poor little monkey. :(



I think my parent's smacked my weekly when I was a kid. :lol:

:lol: :lol: Me too! I used to say " oh yeah, that didn't hurt at all" and run up to my room before I got another one! :lol:
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Re: Preventing kids from "objectionable" art

Postby brianlux » Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:43 pm

DS1119 wrote:
StillHere wrote:@ DS1119 ^^^ O. M. G. i hate to laugh but now..that its over... :lol: :lol:



I laugth now :lol: but at the time :evil: . The child or the parents have yet to apoligize to this day.


OMG! Oww! I've had a couple of hernia repairs- I can kind of imagine what that felt like (but I don't wanna think about it! :lol: )

I had a couple in the store yesterday with their four or five year old daughter. The kid was going up and down a row of books shoving them around and I said, "Sweetheart, please don't do that- I'll just have to fix it all later." The mom just kind of shrugged but the dad made punching motions with his hand behind the kids back and had this weird creepy grin on his face. I just told the guy, "Not to worry, it's all good," because I was worried for the kid. Parents like that drive me nuts.
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