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Postby Abookamongstthemany » Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:27 pm

The two greatest obstacles to democracy in the United States are, first, the widespread delusion among the poor that we have a democracy, and second, the chronic terror among the rich, lest we get it. ~ Edward Dowling


When great changes occur in history, when great principles are involved, as a rule the majority are wrong. The minority are right. ~ Eugene V. Debs



Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. ~ George Bernard Shaw


In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. ~ George Orwell


Apparently, a democracy is a place where numerous elections are held at great cost without issues and with interchangeable candidates. ~ Gore Vidal
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
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Postby sweet adeline » Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:41 pm

"last words are for fools who haven't said enough."

-karl marx, on his deathbed
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Postby Commy » Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:04 pm

"Market economics selects for profit - not what is good for humans"

Albert Einstein
There's plenty for all.

You can either repeat conventional platitudes or else sound like you're from Neptune. -chomsky


The weight of the world don't seem so bad...


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Postby Abookamongstthemany » Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:11 pm

Commy wrote:"Market economics selects for profit - not what is good for humans"

Albert Einstein


So true!!! Good one, Commy. :)



The citizen can bring our political and governmental institutions back to life, make them responsive and accountable, and keep them honest. No one else can. ~John Gardner
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Postby Commy » Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:22 pm

When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative.

MLK
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You can either repeat conventional platitudes or else sound like you're from Neptune. -chomsky


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Postby Abookamongstthemany » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:29 pm

"To safeguard democracy the people must have a keen sense of independence, self-respect, and their oneness." ~ Gandhi

In true democracy every man and women is taught to think for himself or herself. ~ Gandhi



The most effective way to restrict democracy is to transfer decision-making from the public arena to unaccountable institutions: kings and princes, priestly castes, military juntas, party dictatorships, or modern corporations. ~ Noam Chomsky


Elections are a good deal like marriages. There's no accounting for anyone's taste. Every time we see a bridegroom we wonder why she ever picked him, and it's the same with public officials. ~ Will Rogers
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Postby Commy » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:45 pm

Laws alone cannot secure freedom of expression

- Albert Einstein
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Postby El_Kabong » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:19 pm

"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist" Dom Helder Camara
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
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Postby flywallyfly » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:38 pm

"Go fuck yourself." ~Dick Cheney to Senator Leahy
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Postby Nevermind » Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:40 am

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.” - George W. Bush

"The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one." - Adolph Hitler

“You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you have to concentrate on.” - George W. Bush

"If you tell a lie long enough, loud enough and often enough, the people will believe it. The secret to get someone to believe a lie is constant repetition. Just tell it over, and over, and over again." - Adolph Hitler

"See in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." - George W. Bush
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Postby catefrances » Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:48 am

On the Mindless Menace of Violence

City Club of Cleveland, Cleveland, Ohio
April 5, 1968

This is a time of shame and sorrow. It is not a day for politics. I have saved this one opportunity, my only event of today, to speak briefly to you about the mindless menace of violence in America which again stains our land and every one of our lives.

It is not the concern of any one race. The victims of the violence are black and white, rich and poor, young and old, famous and unknown. They are, most important of all, human beings whom other human beings loved and needed. No one - no matter where he lives or what he does - can be certain who will suffer from some senseless act of bloodshed. And yet it goes on and on and on in this country of ours.

Why? What has violence ever accomplished? What has it ever created? No martyr's cause has ever been stilled by an assassin's bullet.

No wrongs have ever been righted by riots and civil disorders. A sniper is only a coward, not a hero; and an uncontrolled, uncontrollable mob is only the voice of madness, not the voice of reason.

Whenever any American's life is taken by another American unnecessarily - whether it is done in the name of the law or in the defiance of the law, by one man or a gang, in cold blood or in passion, in an attack of violence or in response to violence - whenever we tear at the fabric of the life which another man has painfully and clumsily woven for himself and his children, the whole nation is degraded.

"Among free men," said Abraham Lincoln, "there can be no successful appeal from the ballot to the bullet; and those who take such appeal are sure to lose their cause and pay the costs."

Yet we seemingly tolerate a rising level of violence that ignores our common humanity and our claims to civilization alike. We calmly accept newspaper reports of civilian slaughter in far-off lands. We glorify killing on movie and television screens and call it entertainment. We make it easy for men of all shades of sanity to acquire whatever weapons and ammunition they desire.

Too often we honor swagger and bluster and wielders of force; too often we excuse those who are willing to build their own lives on the shattered dreams of others. Some Americans who preach non-violence abroad fail to practice it here at home. Some who accuse others of inciting riots have by their own conduct invited them.

Some look for scapegoats, others look for conspiracies, but this much is clear: violence breeds violence, repression brings retaliation, and only a cleansing of our whole society can remove this sickness from our soul.

For there is another kind of violence, slower but just as deadly destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions; indifference and inaction and slow decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. This is the slow destruction of a child by hunger, and schools without books and homes without heat in the winter.

This is the breaking of a man's spirit by denying him the chance to stand as a father and as a man among other men. And this too afflicts us all.

I have not come here to propose a set of specific remedies nor is there a single set. For a broad and adequate outline we know what must be done. When you teach a man to hate and fear his brother, when you teach that he is a lesser man because of his color or his beliefs or the policies he pursues, when you teach that those who differ from you threaten your freedom or your job or your family, then you also learn to confront others not as fellow citizens but as enemies, to be met not with cooperation but with conquest; to be subjugated and mastered.

We learn, at the last, to look at our brothers as aliens, men with whom we share a city, but not a community; men bound to us in common dwelling, but not in common effort. We learn to share only a common fear, only a common desire to retreat from each other, only a common impulse to meet disagreement with force. For all this, there are no final answers.

Yet we know what we must do. It is to achieve true justice among our fellow citizens. The question is not what programs we should seek to enact. The question is whether we can find in our own midst and in our own hearts that leadership of humane purpose that will recognize the terrible truths of our existence.

We must admit the vanity of our false distinctions among men and learn to find our own advancement in the search for the advancement of others. We must admit in ourselves that our own children's future cannot be built on the misfortunes of others. We must recognize that this short life can neither be ennobled or enriched by hatred or revenge.

Our lives on this planet are too short and the work to be done too great to let this spirit flourish any longer in our land. Of course we cannot vanquish it with a program, nor with a resolution.

But we can perhaps remember, if only for a time, that those who live with us are our brothers, that they share with us the same short moment of life; that they seek, as do we, nothing but the chance to live out their lives in purpose and in happiness, winning what satisfaction and fulfillment they can.

Surely, this bond of common faith, this bond of common goal, can begin to teach us something. Surely, we can learn, at least, to look at those around us as fellow men, and surely we can begin to work a little harder to bind up the wounds among us and to become in our own hearts brothers and countrymen once again.
Now what we have to understand is that this comes from an extremely clever and skillful program, that has manipulated us into ways of thinking that may be contrary to our own interests, but beneficial to the interests of the powers that be... beneficial to the interests of those who control our lives, and tax us until we have hardly a penny left to spend, take our money, and plough it into the creation of huge, armed bureaucracies, which exist to oppress us. We live in a society today where we may not make decisions, to explore our own consciousness. If I am not sovereign over my own consciousness, then I am sovereign over nothing.



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Postby puremagic » Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:50 am

“The enemy isn’t conservatism.

The enemy isn’t liberalism.

The enemy is bullshit."

—Lars-Erik Nelson, political columnist
SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
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Postby my2hands » Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:00 am

When asked how he felt about making more $ then the President, Babe Ruth responded...

"I had a better year"


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Postby know1 » Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:05 am

Abookamongstthemany wrote:In true democracy every man and women is taught to think for himself or herself. ~ Gandhi


This is one that I disagree with because I think it's a contradiction. It is basically saying that people need to rely on society to teach them to think for themselves.

I think it would be a far better thing for people to just think for themselves as opposed to waiting for someone or something to TEACH them to think for themselves.

And what if they are taught to think for themselves in a manner that doesn't align with their true nature or the way they would think for themself naturally? In other words, society could have bias when it is doing the teaching.
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Postby melodious » Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:47 am

In order to know oneself, one must know emptiness....

Cheers!!!!

It is yet another day for a new season. Peace and Joyous LOVing LIGHT...

Happy Equinox...
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