Whats going wrong with the world? More shootings

[JonnyPistachio]

They kill a lot more people every day then they save. You would need 8,000 stories like that each year to make up for the gun murders we have.

I agree. A few months back I said in a gun thread that I see about two reports a month in Florida of accidental shootings. People did not believe me until I started linking the stories I saw. And most of these are involving kids and teenagers. The bad FAR outweigh the hero's who use their guns to defend. However, the simple fact that people own guns might keep people from robbing others, i'll admit that, but we'll never know that statistic.

And regarding the Arizona shooter/Giffords account -- There was a man there that was armed. He took his gun out (I believe), but was unable to identify the target because of all the commotion. AND he was concerned that the police would show up and see him with his weapon drawn. Personally, I think more guns in mass shootings is asinine. But people having guns to defend themselves in gas station robberies and whatnot are a hoot.

[pandora]

They kill a lot more people every day then they save. You would need 8,000 stories like that each year to make up for the gun murders we have.

I agree. A few months back I said in a gun thread that I see about two reports a month in Florida of accidental shootings. People did not believe me until I started linking the stories I saw. And most of these are involving kids and teenagers. The bad FAR outweigh the hero's who use their guns to defend. However, the simple fact that people own guns might keep people from robbing others, i'll admit that, but we'll never know that statistic.

And regarding the Arizona shooter/Giffords account -- There was a man there that was armed. He took his gun out (I believe), but was unable to identify the target because of all the commotion. AND he was concerned that the police would show up and see him with his weapon drawn. Personally, I think more guns in mass shootings is asinine. But people having guns to defend themselves in gas station robberies and whatnot are a hoot.

ONE LIFE SAVED is all that matters! just ask that one life and their loved ones

yeah its a hoot... a dead gas station attendant what don't you guys get...
people don't want to die and they are willing to fight back.

again your scenario poor 89 year old Miss Ruby would be a goner but then

you guys don't like guns ... that is the hoot

[pandora]

I think it might be more helpful to know their approximate ages, weights, heights, builds, distinguishing characteristics, were they shaved or unshaven, etc. you know, the things that are usually included if a description is being given to actually help identify someone. Describing me as a medium toned white woman would help people distinguish me from just about no one

They include race in descriptions ...it's usually the first thing right before gender
a black male
a hispanic male
a white female
an asian female
a white child
a hispanic child
etc etc

do we think that is racist...
come on now that is ridiculous yes?


that is someones race and that describes them

[JonnyPistachio]

Seriously! If I ever live in a city where I feel like I need a gun to be safe then I'm fucking moving ASAP!

Like I mentioned I'm glad others don't feel a need to have a gun in their home.
And yes this would be a direct relation to the level of crime in their city.

Atlanta has been very good to us and we will fight to make it better.
Not run away.

Not run away. hmmm, such an interesting way to put it. You have explained how your area is very dangerous with guns and machetes everywhere, yet you don't own a gun. So you wont move or buy a gun...then is your immediate area safe? How are you fighting to make gun violence better?

I'll admit, as I did in my PM, I have up and moved. I came to my last straw. Too much gun violence in my hood. I've abandoned my house and moved to a better neighborhood. For the last two years, as much as I oppose guns, I contemplated getting one. I'm glad I found a better way to escape it than to cave in and cater to the American mentality that more guns is better. I just cant subscribe to that so I did what I could to avoid it. Plus, I cant imaging my wife as a quick-draw and/or in a shootout. So we moved. Just a few weeks ago in my old neighborhood, (my old place is in short sale), there was a gunfight in the street. One building riddled with bullets. I think there get to be a point where you just cant do anything but escape it.

[JonnyPistachio]

They kill a lot more people every day then they save. You would need 8,000 stories like that each year to make up for the gun murders we have.

I agree. A few months back I said in a gun thread that I see about two reports a month in Florida of accidental shootings. People did not believe me until I started linking the stories I saw. And most of these are involving kids and teenagers. The bad FAR outweigh the hero's who use their guns to defend. However, the simple fact that people own guns might keep people from robbing others, i'll admit that, but we'll never know that statistic.

And regarding the Arizona shooter/Giffords account -- There was a man there that was armed. He took his gun out (I believe), but was unable to identify the target because of all the commotion. AND he was concerned that the police would show up and see him with his weapon drawn. Personally, I think more guns in mass shootings is asinine. But people having guns to defend themselves in gas station robberies and whatnot are a hoot.

ONE LIFE SAVED is all that matters! just ask that one life and their loved ones

yeah its a hoot... a dead gas station attendant what don't you guys get...
people don't want to die and they are willing to fight back.

again your scenario poor 89 year old Miss Ruby would be a goner but then

you guys don't like guns ... that is the hoot

Honestly, that one little old lady saved, does not amount to the slew of children I hear of that are shot and killed accidentally. And that's just accidents. Not even close.

And maybe I should've reworded it about the gas station attendant - If he/she has to defend themselves with a gun I think that's fine (a hoot). But I've seen most convenience stores around here are getting glass bulletproof barriers for cashiers. Smarter than guns. I think you keep forgetting, I still believe handguns should be legal of course.

[comebackgirl]

I think it might be more helpful to know their approximate ages, weights, heights, builds, distinguishing characteristics, were they shaved or unshaven, etc. you know, the things that are usually included if a description is being given to actually help identify someone. Describing me as a medium toned white woman would help people distinguish me from just about no one

They include race in descriptions ...it's usually the first thing right before gender
a black male
a hispanic male
a white female
an asian female
a white child
a hispanic child
etc etc

do we think that is racist...
come on now that is ridiculous yes?


that is someones race and that describes them

Pandora - of course race is an important part of a description, but it's only one piece. That alone tells us nothing and when that's the ONLY descriptor mentioned its not helpful

[pandora]

I think it might be more helpful to know their approximate ages, weights, heights, builds, distinguishing characteristics, were they shaved or unshaven, etc. you know, the things that are usually included if a description is being given to actually help identify someone. Describing me as a medium toned white woman would help people distinguish me from just about no one

They include race in descriptions ...it's usually the first thing right before gender
a black male
a hispanic male
a white female
an asian female
a white child
a hispanic child
etc etc

do we think that is racist...
come on now that is ridiculous yes?


that is someones race and that describes them

Pandora - of course race is an important part of a description, but it's only one piece. That alone tells us nothing and when that's the ONLY descriptor mentioned its not helpful

I agree one part of a description but she's 89 and suddenly awoken from sleep ...
I don't think she had anymore details to give.

I'd like to think I at 56 would keep it together enough to offer more
but who knows when you think you are going to die in a split second.

[comebackgirl]

I agree one part of a description but she's 89 and suddenly awoken from sleep ...
I don't think she had anymore details to give.

I'd like to think I at 56 would keep it together enough to offer more
but who knows when you think you are going to die in a split second.

Quite true. Trauma completely changes how we remember and recall things. However, that has nothing to do with my original point. Our experiences and individual lives shape the lense through which we see the world. Having different lenses is what makes life interesting. This is probably one of those things that we'll have to agree to have different opinions about.

[pandora]

Seriously! If I ever live in a city where I feel like I need a gun to be safe then I'm fucking moving ASAP!

Like I mentioned I'm glad others don't feel a need to have a gun in their home.
And yes this would be a direct relation to the level of crime in their city.

Atlanta has been very good to us and we will fight to make it better.
Not run away.

Not run away. hmmm, such an interesting way to put it. You have explained how your area is very dangerous with guns and machetes everywhere, yet you don't own a gun. So you wont move or buy a gun...then is your immediate area safe? How are you fighting to make gun violence better?

I'll admit, as I did in my PM, I have up and moved. I came to my last straw. Too much gun violence in my hood. I've abandoned my house and moved to a better neighborhood. For the last two years, as much as I oppose guns, I contemplated getting one. I'm glad I found a better way to escape it than to cave in and cater to the American mentality that more guns is better. I just cant subscribe to that so I did what I could to avoid it. Plus, I cant imaging my wife as a quick-draw and/or in a shootout. So we moved. Just a few weeks ago in my old neighborhood, (my old place is in short sale), there was a gunfight in the street. One building riddled with bullets. I think there get to be a point where you just cant do anything but escape it.

Yes I was glad you moved Jonny this a good fit for you. And a happy time for you

We are in a great neighborhood, very upper class, so much so a target I'm afraid.
We have some detectives and sheriffs moving in though so their presence is very welcome.
Our house is on the market but we will stay in the general area as our biz is moved here now,
a short 5 mile drive.

Matters not really crime happens everywhere anyways. For some a means of income
so crime goes to the best of neighborhoods.

I speak of what others deal with in all parts of Atl. though and if you read between the lines
I said I personally didn't own a gun and that was all...

Fighting to stop gun violence means we must bring the value of life back to people.
Make life worth living with opportunities and good education. Teach love from small on
so people learn to appreciate the life next to them, it is not something to be used and abused,
it is a person with feelings. Like in the case of Miss Ruby, how can the young pray on the elderly?
No respect for life, why? Because they were never taught this and never received it...
respect.

Taking guns away will never work because the person intent on finding one will.
The criminals will because they need them for their livelihood,
leaving victims helpless like poor Miss Ruby would have been without her gun.

We must take the person and change them instead.
Change where they live, how they live, give them hope and empathy for others.

Legal responsible gun owners are not the problem so we can not punish them...
we can not punish the thoughtful because of the thoughtless.

[pandora]

I agree one part of a description but she's 89 and suddenly awoken from sleep ...
I don't think she had anymore details to give.

I'd like to think I at 56 would keep it together enough to offer more
but who knows when you think you are going to die in a split second.

Quite true. Trauma completely changes how we remember and recall things. However, that has nothing to do with my original point. Our experiences and individual lives shape the lense through which we see the world. Having different lenses is what makes life interesting. This is probably one of those things that we'll have to agree to have different opinions about.

okee dokee

I think Miss Ruby was a smart old lady who was prepared to save her own life,
I'm really glad of that. She got two bad guys who will now go to prison instead
of breaking into someone else's house tonight.
She may not have been able to describe them well but she stopped them in their tracks,
good on you Miss Ruby.

[comebackgirl]

I agree one part of a description but she's 89 and suddenly awoken from sleep ...
I don't think she had anymore details to give.

I'd like to think I at 56 would keep it together enough to offer more
but who knows when you think you are going to die in a split second.

Quite true. Trauma completely changes how we remember and recall things. However, that has nothing to do with my original point. Our experiences and individual lives shape the lense through which we see the world. Having different lenses is what makes life interesting. This is probably one of those things that we'll have to agree to have different opinions about.

okee dokee

I think Miss Ruby was a smart old lady who was prepared to save her own life,
I'm really glad of that. She got two bad guys who will now go to prison instead
of breaking into someone else's house tonight.
She may not have been able to describe them well but she stopped them in their tracks,
good on you Miss Ruby.

Oh were they arrested? I thought they were still in the run and needed to be identified

[pandora]

Quite true. Trauma completely changes how we remember and recall things. However, that has nothing to do with my original point. Our experiences and individual lives shape the lense through which we see the world. Having different lenses is what makes life interesting. This is probably one of those things that we'll have to agree to have different opinions about.

okee dokee

I think Miss Ruby was a smart old lady who was prepared to save her own life,
I'm really glad of that. She got two bad guys who will now go to prison instead
of breaking into someone else's house tonight.
She may not have been able to describe them well but she stopped them in their tracks,
good on you Miss Ruby.

Oh were they arrested? I thought they were still in the run and needed to be identified

Cops got these two but I've bee hearing and reading so many of these news worthy stories lately
it's hard not to mix them up, well for me... I get the threads mixed up too

[comebackgirl]

okee dokee

I think Miss Ruby was a smart old lady who was prepared to save her own life,
I'm really glad of that. She got two bad guys who will now go to prison instead
of breaking into someone else's house tonight.
She may not have been able to describe them well but she stopped them in their tracks,
good on you Miss Ruby.

Oh were they arrested? I thought they were still in the run and needed to be identified

Cops got these two but I've bee hearing and reading so many of these news worthy stories lately
it's hard not to mix them up, well for me... I get the threads mixed up too

It must have all come down to Miss Ruby's very detailed description

Good - I'm glad that they were caught. I'm sure she'll sleep easier at night. I can't remember what I posted where anymore

[Cosmo]

It must have all come down to Miss Ruby's very detailed description

Good - I'm glad that they were caught. I'm sure she'll sleep easier at night. I can't remember what I posted where anymore

...
Maybe from getting whacked upside the head from that sock full of nickels?

[comebackgirl]

It must have all come down to Miss Ruby's very detailed description

Good - I'm glad that they were caught. I'm sure she'll sleep easier at night. I can't remember what I posted where anymore

...
Maybe from getting whacked upside the head from that sock full of nickels?

*ouch* those nickels hurt