Obama’s war on coal hits your electric bill

[chadwick]

thanks for the link to the letters ...

I'll lose my house if this electric bill goes any higher!

I agree get the alternative in place first! gosh darn it!

they must think we are all made out of money

calm down, pandora. i highly doubt you're going anywhere soon. hell, move into your printing, ink & paper business if ya gotta. turn your a/c up, people us more fans to circulate air throughout the larger scaled homes, (not that yours is large, just sayin), wear less clothes and swim in the pool when hot, beings it's y'all pool you may even swim bunk ass naked if you wish. these are helpful tip in decreasing a electrical bill. turn out the night-lights, and people do not need to participate in 24x7 welding out back in the machine shed and a single household only needs 1 refrigerator. tanning beds are known to increase an electric bill by as much as 40007%

that is quite a jump from 202% vs' using power like there is no tomorrow.

do not get me started on the utility bills a pack of dogs use. some dogs are known to crank the a/c down to friged levels. this will not be tolerated, ever.

[catefrances]

...We are introducing a big carbon tax in Australia as well
Great news for future generations that we finally are taking some responsibility in our actions

yeah!!! i cant wait to pay more for my electicity bill cause the company is gonna be passing on their tax to me. australia has all the sunshine in the world and yet do we utilise it?? nope. we continue to burn fossil fuels while the coal industry and the cons scream that the governemnt is killing the industry and the families who work in the undustry. yet i watch as our govts for example still allow the raising of inefficient houses(and in the case of sydney, the seemingly never ending expansion of the suburban sprawl with nothing in place to cut down on the reliance of cars) cause theyre also helping prop up the building industry. id have more respect for our govt if they implemented other initiatives alongside the carbon tax.

[pandora]

thanks for the link to the letters ...

I'll lose my house if this electric bill goes any higher!

I agree get the alternative in place first! gosh darn it!

they must think we are all made out of money

calm down, pandora. i highly doubt you're going anywhere soon. hell, move into your printing, ink & paper business if ya gotta. turn your a/c up, people us more fans to circulate air throughout the larger scaled homes, (not that yours is large, just sayin), wear less clothes and swim in the pool when hot, beings it's y'all pool you may even swim bunk ass naked if you wish. these are helpful tip in decreasing a electrical bill. turn out the night-lights, and people do not need to participate in 24x7 welding out back in the machine shed and a single household only needs 1 refrigerator. tanning beds are known to increase an electric bill by as much as 40007%

that is quite a jump from 202% vs' using power like there is no tomorrow.

do not get me started on the utility bills a pack of dogs use. some dogs are known to crank the a/c down to friged levels. this will not be tolerated, ever.

If you saw my bill you wouldn't be calm either
We are moving our biz to a new commerical leased space and no we can't live there,
as it is not residential, it's in the lease, our current space as well.
Pools are very expensive on one's electric bill part of the problem.

Huge house = huge electric bill, why ours is on the market.

And yes they think we are all made of money and yes get an alternative plan in place
before and stop raising the electric bills!.

I swear they are systematically reducing home ownership any way they can.
Skyrocketing utility bills and property taxes ( ours went up by 36% ! ) a great way to do it.

[Jason P]

Is anyone besides me sick and tired of both sides using the word "WAR".

[polaris_x]

ontario has pledged to close all coal fire plants ... not sure target date but we are almost there ... no one was complaining when that decision was made nor is anyone complaining now ...

[81]

if anything, the oil lobby is waging a war on humans....

fight back and don't use any oil

[81]

Is anyone besides me sick and tired of both sides using the word "WAR".

we need a war on war usage

[blackredyellow]

so is there an answer ? what is in place to save these familys ?
is there a renewable energy sorce in place ?.....or did some dumbass just pull the plug on all these peoples lives with no respect to their livelyhoods and familys.....


Godfather.

This isn't directed at you Godfather, but your post is a perfect example of the the problems with this political climate we have created:

Question #1 - "What's in place to save these families?": Not sure... and I feel bad for anyone losing their job. But on the flipside, people on the right were so up in arms about the auto bailouts, and spending that money helped the families. How many thousands of families would have been without jobs if not for the bailouts? We selectively make emotional arguments to support things that we agree with, and ignore than when they are things we disagree with.

Question #2 - "Is there a renewable energy source in place?": Not really... nothing on the scale we need. Buuuuutttt... when the republicans and oil/coal lobbyist fight tooth and nail against any large scale effort to financially support alternative energies, it's pretty funny when they can conveniently use the excuse of "we need to produce/use more oil and coal, because there is nothing else we can use". It reminds me of the "too big to fail" excuse the banking industry used, after years of fighting any sorts of regulations that would prevent them from getting so big in the first place.

[Godfather.]

so is there an answer ? what is in place to save these familys ?
is there a renewable energy sorce in place ?.....or did some dumbass just pull the plug on all these peoples lives with no respect to their livelyhoods and familys.....


Godfather.

This isn't directed at you Godfather, but your post is a perfect example of the the problems with this political climate we have created:

Question #1 - "What's in place to save these families?": Not sure... and I feel bad for anyone losing their job. But on the flipside, people on the right were so up in arms about the auto bailouts, and spending that money helped the families. How many thousands of families would have been without jobs if not for the bailouts? We selectively make emotional arguments to support things that we agree with, and ignore than when they are things we disagree with.

Question #2 - "Is there a renewable energy source in place?": Not really... nothing on the scale we need. Buuuuutttt... when the republicans and oil/coal lobbyist fight tooth and nail against any large scale effort to financially support alternative energies, it's pretty funny when they can conveniently use the excuse of "we need to produce/use more oil and coal, because there is nothing else we can use". It reminds me of the "too big to fail" excuse the banking industry used, after years of fighting any sorts of regulations that would prevent them from getting so big in the first place.

wow a great reply for sure thanks ! your post got me thinking/wondering,the working man has been used for excusses and as a scap-goat by politions on all sides, it dosen't seem to mater if it's coal or renewable energy
in the end because the working man will pay the price either way with no real say in the matter.


Godfather.

[PJ_Soul]

thanks for the link to the letters ...

I'll lose my house if this electric bill goes any higher!

I agree get the alternative in place first! gosh darn it!

they must think we are all made out of money

People don't change behaviors until they are forced to. I actually think the only way people will make changes is if the old options aren't available anymore or are at least made less available. Shitty but true.
Meanwhile, there are lots of ways to save electricity. I.e. use it less, power smart home plans, etc.

[cincybearcat]

ontario has pledged to close all coal fire plants ... not sure target date but we are almost there ... no one was complaining when that decision was made nor is anyone complaining now ...

http://www.ontariotenants.ca/electricit ... 4c18.phtml

Old article. Haven't found anything up to date that wasn't on the govt site yet. Do they have data on jobs, health care costs, etc from this move yet?

[cincybearcat]

ontario has pledged to close all coal fire plants ... not sure target date but we are almost there ... no one was complaining when that decision was made nor is anyone complaining now ...

And what's up with this group...

http://quixoteslaststand.com/category/t ... y-act-gea/

[polaris_x]

And what's up with this group...

http://quixoteslaststand.com/category/t ... y-act-gea/

really!?? ... this is what you are going with?

you might have been the 18th hit this year for that site ...

[polaris_x]

http://www.ontariotenants.ca/electricity/articles/2004/lfp04c18.phtml

Old article. Haven't found anything up to date that wasn't on the govt site yet. Do they have data on jobs, health care costs, etc from this move yet?

not sure ... thing with smog is that it travels ... most of the smog we get here in southern ontario comes from northern ohio and the manufacturing and coal plants there ... with manufacturing gone the way of the dodo bird - we are getting less smog in general ...

the reality with this stuff ... is that burning coal is bad in many ways ... why do you think trains stop using it or furnaces or anything else that used to use coal ... not only does it contribute to global warming but the pollutants related to coal is brutal ... and is largely responsible for respiratory related illnesses ...

[cincybearcat]

And what's up with this group...

http://quixoteslaststand.com/category/t ... y-act-gea/

really!?? ... this is what you are going with?

you might have been the 18th hit this year for that site ...

No I asked what's up with this group because it looked weird. I don't know anything about it.