Are Mormons Christian?

[catefrances]

And heres the reason religion should play no part in politics
There is no proof of gods existence, only your belief in that existence
And why should my life be affected by something like your beliefs
Religion is against scientists and doctors trying to find a cure for my daughters condition
Religion is against my neighbors being able to legally commit to each other because they both have penis's
Religion has no right to tell me what to do

I have a set of morals I try to follow as well, probably not far from your own. But religion pays no part in that


Religion has no part to play in

Wow - generalize much??

There are so many anti-religious people on this board that really have no clue what religion is. It's pretty closed minded, really. Sure - there are SOME religions that do some of the things you say, but there are plenty of others that do not.

well i know what religion is. and i knowwhats been done in its and Gods name. and i include allah and every other diety you can name. religion just doesnt make any sense to me. i do understand the place it has in society... in all societies. but still i cant make any sense out of it. ive even asked some people here questions hoping to make sense of their beliefs but ive been ignored. i am very open minded. just cause i dont believe in God/s and just cause religion doesnt make any sense to me and never has, doesnt mean im close minded or small minded(if there is a difference between those two things). what i see as close minded is when someone ignores someones desire for information in hopes they can maybe, just maybe understand that someones beliefs a little better.

[pandora]

theres no room for religion in politics. and if you make political decisions(for the nation) based on your religious views then you should not be in politics. and as you said. it matters to be honest and i think thats the biggest thing. oh and admitting when youre wrong.

I totally disagree with this. If you're a religious person and you have a set of values and morals that you try to follow, then you should absolutely make political decisions based upon those. There is no way you can be a TRULY religious person and not have it affect your decisions.

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In my view... our moral compass is not directed by our religious beiefs... it is (or SHOULD) be directed by our humanity. Our values are founded upon our being... not our beliefs. We should be making our decisions based upon whether they are the right thing to do... not because we are being watched by Jesus or God or whatever our religion if founded upon. We should base our decisions and actions on what is right... not to appease anyone... Including deities.

I see the signs that are changed weekly in front of our churches ...
a current event, a thought, a value, a moral, this weeks lesson.

I see a hundred or more cars parked out front on a Saturday, Sunday or Wednesday.
I visualize hundreds listening, learning, being reminded ...
FEELING HUMANITY

the troubles and solutions, praying for better....
making it better

being together making it better one touch, one action, one lesson at a time.

People are not doing the right thing because they are being watched
they choose to do right because they are taught.

This is religion, this is church, this is knowing God ...
individually this makes for a much better world.

Embrace Love.

[Cosmo]

Wow - generalize much??

There are so many anti-religious people on this board that really have no clue what religion is. It's pretty closed minded, really. Sure - there are SOME religions that do some of the things you say, but there are plenty of others that do not.

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That the deal with religion... there isn't just one religion. If there was, it'd be simple... believe or not believe.
But, to sing the praises of religion (or to curse their imperfections) means you should consider ALL Religions in the same, equal light, shouldn't you. Simply, if you go on and on about how great Christianity... shouldn't you go on and on about the greatness of Islam? Judaism? Scientology?
And there is the problem. Religions, more specifically, people whom follow a religion, will only praise their own religion, whilst cursing the others.
That is not open-mindedness, is it?
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This goes from the massive organized religions to the tiniest cult or person that believes in their own personal religion.
The only truth we know about God is... we simply don't know. We believe through some conduit, such as a religion... but, the truth is... we just don't know.

[pandora]

The only truth we know about God is... we simply don't know. We believe through some conduit, such as a religion... but, the truth is... we just don't know.

I must say there are an awful lot knowing what can not be known then.
I would say it is more of a feeling factor.

To start we must ask ourselves what do we have faith in?

Faith is needed to achieve anything and everything we do.
It is the basis to determination, vision, dedication.

Do some only have faith with proof? With tangibles? in themselves? in others?
in fact?

While others have faith with feeling? an encompassing belief ... a knowing.

Thought this lovely quote, I keep close, fits here ...
it explains the knowing of Faith.

"Faith is the bird that feels the light when the dawn is still dark."

Rabindranath Tagore

In deep thought we see that is our nature, what each of us brought with us.
Feeling is believing is knowing.

I have been wondering in the decades to come if there will be a massive return
to God because it will appear the prophecies of religions are indeed coming true.
Unfortunately that might be based in fear not feeling.

Letting go of fear is the path to feeling.

[hedonist]

The only truth we know about God is... we simply don't know. We believe through some conduit, such as a religion... but, the truth is... we just don't know.

Worth quoting - yet again. For my own pleasure.

Why MUST we know, anyway?

Reminds me of the line from the Simon & Garfunkel song - "the only truth I know is you".

Yeah.

[mikepegg44]

The only truth we know about God is... we simply don't know. We believe through some conduit, such as a religion... but, the truth is... we just don't know.

I must say there are an awful lot knowing what can not be known then.
I would say it is more of a feeling factor.

To start we must ask ourselves what do we have faith in?

Faith is needed to achieve anything and everything we do.
It is the basis to determination, vision, dedication.

Do some only have faith with proof? With tangibles? in themselves? in others?
in fact?

While others have faith with feeling? an encompassing belief ... a knowing.

Thought this lovely quote, I keep close, fits here ...
it explains the knowing of Faith.

"Faith is the bird that feels the light when the dawn is still dark."

Rabindranath Tagore

In deep thought we see that is our nature, what each of us brought with us.
Feeling is believing is knowing.

I have been wondering in the decades to come if there will be a massive return
to God because it will appear the prophecies of religions are indeed coming true.
Unfortunately that might be based in fear not feeling.

Letting go of fear is the path to feeling.

I don't really want to get in an argument about semantics with you, but you cannot know something without proof by definition. Proof is not located through looking at miracles and assigning a deity as the reason they occurred. feeling is believing maybe...but neither needed to know something. Facts either are or aren't...not believing them doesn't make them any less true. knowledge isn't based on faith. not trying to down play your belief system...I think belief systems are very important to individuals. But you cannot know the unknown through faith...you can believe something, you can feel something is true, but that doesn't necessarily make it so...that is the essence of faith to begin with...if the judeo-christian God revealed itself to all through fact it defeats the purpose of the free will granted to us to believe or not believe. Faith is believing in the absence of proof by definition. Philosophically, I think it actually demeans a person such as yourselves' faith to equate it to fact or "knowing."

[Cosmo]

The only truth we know about God is... we simply don't know. We believe through some conduit, such as a religion... but, the truth is... we just don't know.

Worth quoting - yet again. For my own pleasure.

Why MUST we know, anyway?

Reminds me of the line from the Simon & Garfunkel song - "the only truth I know is you".

Yeah.

Hey, Hedo...
And you are correct, there isn't a need to know... it is a want to know.
People will seek out answers to questions which have no answers. For those questions, the only truthful answer is, 'I don't know'. Anyone can come up with any answer they want... which becomes 'truth' to them. But, if we all take a step out of ourselves and look at the answers in an objective light, we find... we just don't know.
With religion, knowledge is mixed up into belief and regurgitaed out as 'truth'. Knowledge and belief are two completely different thing. But, one can lead to the other. But, it still does not mean it is true.

[Cosmo]

I don't really want to get in an argument about semantics with you, but you cannot know something without proof by definition. Proof is not located through looking at miracles and assigning a deity as the reason they occurred. feeling is believing maybe...but neither needed to know something. Facts either are or aren't...not believing them doesn't make them any less true. knowledge isn't based on faith. not trying to down play your belief system...I think belief systems are very important to individuals. But you cannot know the unknown through faith...you can believe something, you can feel something is true, but that doesn't necessarily make it so...that is the essence of faith to begin with...if the judeo-christian God revealed itself to all through fact it defeats the purpose of the free will granted to us to believe or not believe. Faith is believing in the absence of proof by definition. Philosophically, I think it actually demeans a person such as yourselves' faith to equate it to fact or "knowing."

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You cut right to the essence of the matter. Belief is belief, knowledge is knowledge and cannot be substituted.
Example: If I truly believe I can fly and I jump off a cliff. Does that mean I can fly?

[pandora]

The only truth we know about God is... we simply don't know. We believe through some conduit, such as a religion... but, the truth is... we just don't know.

Worth quoting - yet again. For my own pleasure.

Why MUST we know, anyway?

Reminds me of the line from the Simon & Garfunkel song - "the only truth I know is you".

Yeah.

it is not a must it is an IS

no control over what you know

[PJ_Soul]

The only truth we know about God is... we simply don't know. We believe through some conduit, such as a religion... but, the truth is... we just don't know.

Worth quoting - yet again. For my own pleasure.

Why MUST we know, anyway?

Reminds me of the line from the Simon & Garfunkel song - "the only truth I know is you".

Yeah.

it is not a must it is an IS

no control over what you know

[pandora]

The only truth we know about God is... we simply don't know. We believe through some conduit, such as a religion... but, the truth is... we just don't know.

I must say there are an awful lot knowing what can not be known then.
I would say it is more of a feeling factor.

To start we must ask ourselves what do we have faith in?

Faith is needed to achieve anything and everything we do.
It is the basis to determination, vision, dedication.

Do some only have faith with proof? With tangibles? in themselves? in others?
in fact?

While others have faith with feeling? an encompassing belief ... a knowing.

Thought this lovely quote, I keep close, fits here ...
it explains the knowing of Faith.

"Faith is the bird that feels the light when the dawn is still dark."

Rabindranath Tagore

In deep thought we see that is our nature, what each of us brought with us.
Feeling is believing is knowing.

I have been wondering in the decades to come if there will be a massive return
to God because it will appear the prophecies of religions are indeed coming true.
Unfortunately that might be based in fear not feeling.

Letting go of fear is the path to feeling.

I don't really want to get in an argument about semantics with you, but you cannot know something without proof by definition. Proof is not located through looking at miracles and assigning a deity as the reason they occurred. feeling is believing maybe...but neither needed to know something. Facts either are or aren't...not believing them doesn't make them any less true. knowledge isn't based on faith. not trying to down play your belief system...I think belief systems are very important to individuals. But you cannot know the unknown through faith...you can believe something, you can feel something is true, but that doesn't necessarily make it so...that is the essence of faith to begin with...if the judeo-christian God revealed itself to all through fact it defeats the purpose of the free will granted to us to believe or not believe. Faith is believing in the absence of proof by definition. Philosophically, I think it actually demeans a person such as yourselves' faith to equate it to fact or "knowing."

I know I love my husband, I know that he loves me ... I feel this.
I know I have two children ... I see this. I have lived childbirth.
I know my loved ones left this world to journey on .... I feel this.
I know there is a God ... I see, I feel, I have lived this.

Those who do not believe can not believe that anyone knows God
for the extremely simple fact, they do not believe.

But they still have faith in something so they can understand then what it is to know.

[pandora]

it is not a must it is an IS

no control over what you know

[PJ_Soul]

it is not a must it is an IS

no control over what you know

[pandora]

I don't really want to get in an argument about semantics with you, but you cannot know something without proof by definition. Proof is not located through looking at miracles and assigning a deity as the reason they occurred. feeling is believing maybe...but neither needed to know something. Facts either are or aren't...not believing them doesn't make them any less true. knowledge isn't based on faith. not trying to down play your belief system...I think belief systems are very important to individuals. But you cannot know the unknown through faith...you can believe something, you can feel something is true, but that doesn't necessarily make it so...that is the essence of faith to begin with...if the judeo-christian God revealed itself to all through fact it defeats the purpose of the free will granted to us to believe or not believe. Faith is believing in the absence of proof by definition. Philosophically, I think it actually demeans a person such as yourselves' faith to equate it to fact or "knowing."

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You cut right to the essence of the matter. Belief is belief, knowledge is knowledge and cannot be substituted.
Example: If I truly believe I can fly and I jump off a cliff. Does that mean I can fly?

And if you believe you love someone is this knowledge?
Can you feel the knowledge?

[Cosmo]

Why MUST we know, anyway? -- INCORRECT!!!

Why IS we know, anyway? -- CORRECT!!!

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As clear as water... from a radiator... of a '64 Rambler.