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Re: Water guns banned, REAL guns, OK....

Postby brianlux » Fri May 04, 2012 2:08 pm

hedonist wrote:
JonnyPistachio wrote:Calling someone a coward for carrying or not carrying is uncalled for.

Hell yeah.

And might I also say...jesus fucking christ. Why would this thread descend into such stupidity and childishness? Have a point to make, fucking make it and keep it non-personal.

No wonder this shit so often goes 'round in circles. Most rational discussion ---whoosh--- out the window.

I may support gun-ownership but if someone else doesn't, big fucking deal. I'm not gonna try to make them feel "lesser" for that nor would I expect anyone with clear-headed opposition to do the same to me.


(sorry if I sound like I'm scolding...I'm not, just irritated)


Great posts, Jonny, Hedonist.

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Re: Water guns banned, REAL guns, OK....

Postby USARAY » Fri May 04, 2012 2:08 pm

hedonist wrote:
JonnyPistachio wrote:Calling someone a coward for carrying or not carrying is uncalled for.

Hell yeah.

And might I also say...jesus fucking christ. Why would this thread descend into such stupidity and childishness? Have a point to make, fucking make it and keep it non-personal.

No wonder this shit so often goes 'round in circles. Most rational discussion ---whoosh--- out the window.

I may support gun-ownership but if someone else doesn't, big fucking deal. I'm not gonna try to make them feel "lesser" for that nor would I expect anyone with clear-headed opposition to do the same to me.


(sorry if I sound like I'm scolding...I'm not, just irritated)

the lady has arrived i bow and apologize just defending the right to carry and if you read you will see the lesser goes both ways are you packing joking i find that intriguing and scolding is alright by me
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Re: Water guns banned, REAL guns, OK....

Postby pandora » Fri May 04, 2012 4:26 pm

brianlux wrote:Oh, and another thing. I carry a concealed fire extinguisher so look out people!

yeah I guess it did go over some peoples heads ;) :lol:

This comparing Canada and the US really?
apples to oranges and let's throw in France really :lol: what a joke

Does Canada have an illegal immigrant problem, does Canada have the sheer numbers
we do, our population is over 10 times as many maybe more
does Canada have the poor and over crowded and the minority population?
By the way I am a minority in Atlanta.
This is where crime is because of drugs, related illegal activity, lack of opportunity,
and where there is crime there are guns legal or otherwise.
The otherwise is the why there are so many legal gun owners.
The bad guys will always have guns we can be very sure of that.

This why you Brian can be opposed you don't have the crime Atlanta does
and the Canadians who come here and argue comparing their small country
with the US is kind of ridiculous.
I am happy for Canada it is much easier to manage 33 million then 313 million :shock:
but then again crime really knows no boundaries and those so smug to think
it can not happen to them are foolhardy, cause if it can strike 40 years ago
in a small city in Wisconsin it surely can and will happen anywhere.
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Re: Water guns banned, REAL guns, OK....

Postby Hugh Freaking Dillon » Fri May 04, 2012 4:26 pm

Tritone wrote:
Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
Tritone wrote:and you didn't answer the question see you are the worst


what question didn't I answer?

how are you going to protect your women and children if you don't have any pretend


the same as you, because realistically, no criminal is going to rape your wife or daughter in front of you and let you leave the room to go get your gun, unless of course have a pajama holster. And, in the case of one sneaking into your bedroom at night while you are asleep, unless you keep your gun under your pillow (not bright), you're dead gun or no gun.

I'd suggest that owning a gun, no matter how much training, increases the risk of harming someone inside the home that you love more than it decreases the risk of being injured by a perp during a home invasion.
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Re: Water guns banned, REAL guns, OK....

Postby Hugh Freaking Dillon » Fri May 04, 2012 4:33 pm

pandora wrote:
brianlux wrote:Oh, and another thing. I carry a concealed fire extinguisher so look out people!

yeah I guess it did go over some peoples heads ;) :lol:

This comparing Canada and the US really?
apples to oranges and let's throw in France really :lol: what a joke

Does Canada have an illegal immigrant problem, does Canada have the sheer numbers
we do, our population is over 10 times as many maybe more
does Canada have the poor and over crowded and the minority population?


most statistics don't look at population, they look at per capita. so having 10 times more people means nothing unless we have only 10% of the crime you do, which we don't.

asking if we have a problem with immigration is irrelevant. you are basically saying all minorities are poor criminals. all countries have lower classes, regardless of where they come from. our poor are not actually the immigrants, but those who were hear long before us white people. it makes no difference what their race is.

no one is saying "it won't happen to me". I'm saying that, taking everything into account, to me owning a gun is not worth the risk. people calling others idiots for thinking that way are just showing their ignorance.

I don't buy lottery tickets because I know my chances of winning are one in a million. I don't buy a gun for the same reason.
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Re: Water guns banned, REAL guns, OK....

Postby Hugh Freaking Dillon » Fri May 04, 2012 4:36 pm

pandora wrote:This comparing Canada and the US really?
apples to oranges and let's throw in France really :lol: what a joke

Does Canada have an illegal immigrant problem, does Canada have the sheer numbers
we do, our population is over 10 times as many maybe more
does Canada have the poor and over crowded and the minority population?


by that logic I suppose it's a fact that China has about 4 times more gun crime than the US, then, right? Even more since you brought population density into the equation.... :lol:
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Re: Water guns banned, REAL guns, OK....

Postby pandora » Fri May 04, 2012 4:37 pm

Crime is rising, a home invasion in the neighborhood next to us a few months back.
The homeowner, a legal gun owner, I don't know if he carries
was quick acting and got shots off before the men could do any damage. They ran...
the tool bag they left behind full of not only guns but knives, a baseball bat,
and a blow torch :wtf: He saved his wife and kids from god knows what terror
and the bag helped lead them to the guys. A few less bad guys on the street.

The whole point is to be proactive prepared to take charge against crime not fear it
and not allow criminals to continue their reign of terror.
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Re: Water guns banned, REAL guns, OK....

Postby keeponrockin » Fri May 04, 2012 4:38 pm

Tritone wrote:
keeponrockin wrote:Also, does Tritone saying "your woman" not come across as VERY sexist?

i was generalizing not knowing for sure who is a dude to make my point but i guess yours probably wears the pants shit i thought you were a girl lol i see now you guys your women need to defend themselves hope that works out maybe they will save your sorry asses

Really? My girlfriend wears the pants because I don't feel the need to carry a gun everywhere I go?

That my friends, is logic.
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Re: Water guns banned, REAL guns, OK....

Postby Hugh Freaking Dillon » Fri May 04, 2012 4:43 pm

keeponrockin wrote:
Tritone wrote:
keeponrockin wrote:Also, does Tritone saying "your woman" not come across as VERY sexist?

i was generalizing not knowing for sure who is a dude to make my point but i guess yours probably wears the pants shit i thought you were a girl lol i see now you guys your women need to defend themselves hope that works out maybe they will save your sorry asses

Really? My girlfriend wears the pants because I don't feel the need to carry a gun everywhere I go?

That my friends, is logic.


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Re: Water guns banned, REAL guns, OK....

Postby pandora » Fri May 04, 2012 4:50 pm

It is a fact here many women are carrying guns in their purses, I don't own a gun
personally but if I had to be alone in certain areas of town after dark
I would definitely carry.

Better safe than sorry...
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Re: Water guns banned, REAL guns, OK....

Postby brianlux » Fri May 04, 2012 5:29 pm

pandora wrote:
brianlux wrote:Oh, and another thing. I carry a concealed fire extinguisher so look out people!

yeah I guess it did go over some peoples heads ;) :lol:

This comparing Canada and the US really?
apples to oranges and let's throw in France really :lol: what a joke

Does Canada have an illegal immigrant problem, does Canada have the sheer numbers
we do, our population is over 10 times as many maybe more
does Canada have the poor and over crowded and the minority population?
By the way I am a minority in Atlanta.
This is where crime is because of drugs, related illegal activity, lack of opportunity,
and where there is crime there are guns legal or otherwise.
The otherwise is the why there are so many legal gun owners.
The bad guys will always have guns we can be very sure of that.

This why you Brian can be opposed you don't have the crime Atlanta does
and the Canadians who come here and argue comparing their small country
with the US is kind of ridiculous.
I am happy for Canada it is much easier to manage 33 million then 313 million :shock:
but then again crime really knows no boundaries and those so smug to think
it can not happen to them are foolhardy, cause if it can strike 40 years ago
in a small city in Wisconsin it surely can and will happen anywhere.


Pandora, you may be right about my neck of the woods not having as much crime as yours but I've lived in and been in places that did. I lived in a neighborhood once where I heard people shooting each other. Did I have a gun? No. Did I need one? No. It was probably another domestic fight. Most killings are.

I was once forced by a very large aggressive man to give him a ride. He had me cornered in an empty laundromat. I gave him a ride. If I had tried to pull out a gun I might not be here to tell you this.

While working in as an R.A. in a dorm I had a guy hold a broom handle with a large nail strapped to it against my throat for five minutes because I gave his room inspection a 9 instead of a 10.. I talked him down. If I had tried to pull a out a gun on him do you think I would be here to tell you this?

I was in a rec room in a trailer park once and a guy came at me with a large screw drive because my dag had shit near his yard. If I had tried to pull a gun out he would have adjusted my innards with his screw driver and I wouldn't be here to tell you this. I apologized and went and cleaned up the mess.

I fell asleep on a bus once and woke up in a really fucking bad neighborhood and watched a guy rob another passenger and he looked at me and his eyes said, "If you make a move I'm going to fuck you up." I averted my eyes and remained calm. If I had reached for a gun while sitting with this guy towering over me would I be here to tell you this.

God damn it, don't tell me I need a fucking gun.
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Re: Water guns banned, REAL guns, OK....

Postby brianlux » Fri May 04, 2012 5:38 pm

Well sorry folks but sometimes I feel like this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOhd_dKwxVs
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Re: Water guns banned, REAL guns, OK....

Postby Hugh Freaking Dillon » Fri May 04, 2012 6:48 pm

brianlux wrote:Well sorry folks but sometimes I feel like this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOhd_dKwxVs


I love how he cleans it all up before he leaves! that's awesome!
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Re: Water guns banned, REAL guns, OK....

Postby keeponrockin » Fri May 04, 2012 8:51 pm

pandora wrote:It is a fact here many women are carrying guns in their purses, I don't own a gun
personally but if I had to be alone in certain areas of town after dark
I would definitely carry.

Better safe than sorry...

Personally, all things considered, I still think I'm way safer NOT carrying the gun.
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Re: Water guns banned, REAL guns, OK....

Postby Halifax2TheMax » Fri May 04, 2012 9:02 pm

Tritone keeps asking what you’d do in a given situation. I’ll tell you what I’d do. I’d fight back with my mind, that’s what I’d do. Ha, you might say Tritone but its not as simple as us non-gun owners rolling over and “begging” for our lives or “whimpering” as we stare down the barrel of a gun or watch our loved ones be victimized. Let me explain it to you. It starts with sturdy double door locks on your doors, double pane windows, good for the environment and your energy bill and they make a big scene when broken, exterior lighting on motion sensors, a zoned home alarm system that allows the alarm to be set in the basement and first floor while you’re sleeping on the second floor, a mid to large size dog sleeping on the second floor with you, a baseball bat your wife or significant other can comfortably swing resting against the wall. Knowing your neighbors and being aware of their routine and them yours, being clued in to your neighborhood watch and neighborhood associations, paying attention to the crime bulletins they provide, checking the sexual offender registry on a periodic basis and keeping the landscaping from completely blocking the view from the street. I suppose I could surround my house with a fence, maybe chain link with razor wire on top, add a gate to the bottom of the driveway, video surveillance, “no trespassing” and “beware of dog” signs along with NRA and FOP stickers on my doors and windows with the alarm company’s. Thus far, these latter steps haven’t been necessary but they’re options. Oh but that doesn’t protect you when you leave the house, you scream. No it doesn’t but then again, I minimize my risk of being a victim by avoiding situations that increase said risk. That means no looking to score, visiting sketchy neighborhoods, being downtown at 3:00 a.m., being aware of my situation and surroundings, parking in well lit areas, walking briskly and as if I know where I am and where I’m going, crossing the street if the situation feels weird or ducking into a store, traveling with a group, grabbing a cab, if necessary, keeping my cell phone handy, maybe visible, with the state and city police phone numbers pre-programmed, not flashing wads of cash, being belligerent or disrespectful toward others, assessing situations and determining options, not driving aggressively and being a douche. Basically, carrying myself with confidence and respect and respecting others, and not causing confrontation. Does this guarantee that I won’t be a victim of a crime? No, but neither does wearing my seat belt and driving defensively guarantee I won’t die in a car wreck or having smoke detectors and fire extinguishers guarantee that I won’t die in a house fire, maybe one set by a serial arsonist. I do believe, however, that your carrying a gun, if you do indeed carry a gun, leads you to some level of complacency and as a result, a higher degree of risk. I don’t know what I would do in any given situation when faced with it just as I don’t believe you do either, armed or unarmed. What do you do, Tritone, sleep with a gun under your pillow because you leave your front door unlocked? Drive with a gun in your lap or waistband? What would you do when confronted with looking down the barrel of a gun?

To all you pro-gun folks, what do you think the insurance industry would think? Seriously, what if you had to provide and maintain proof of insurance with certain liability thresholds for coverage to purchase a gun in the event of an accidental shooting or you miss your intended perp and hit an innocent bystander. Or your kid gets a hold of your gun and shoots the neighbor kid because you didn’t lock your gun up or store it properly in your home or car. What if your unlocked gun is stolen and used in a murder. Should you be held liable, either criminally or civilly? Would you accept that kind of responsibility? Why not? You do for automobiles, right? The more responsibility you could show regarding your gun ownership, the less expensive your premiums. Younger gun owners would pay higher premiums than older gun owners. Go to the range frequently, take classes, own a gun safe or secure storage, etc. the less your insurance would be. Much like auto insurance. Are you for sensible gun control legislation? Background checks at gun shows? A national e-verify for criminal background and mental health checks? Limiting gun purchases to one gun per month? Limiting magazine/clip capacity? Why and why not?

So I decide to be smart, rather than ignorant, and not own a gun for my self protection. That doesn’t mean you’re not smart or are ignorant. Or taht I'm any more or less of a man or a woman. Just that I think you view your world as full of unmanageable risk requiring reaction whereas I view it as a world with risk, that if properly managed and risk avoided, can lead to a long, fulfilling and enjoyable life. Crime is down, particularly violent crime, gun sales are up, gun ownership is down (gun owners owning more guns per rather than more people buying guns) and CWP are up. But the decrease in crime may be just as contributable to the proliferation of cell phones, longer prison sentences for repeat violent offenders and better community policing methods and tactics. And illegal immigration is down, illegal immigrant arrests and deportations are up so I don’t know where this “reign of terror” comes from. I don’t live in a Grand Theft Auto world and if I did, I’d move. It’s a free country. And if I did decide to move, I’d be checking the crime stats for the state, city or town that I was thinking of moving to.

To most of you who visit and post on the forums and even to those that don’t, you know the forum is a reflection of our society and as such a certain percentage believes in and hopes for the breakdown of society and chaos and the End of Days, maybe as soon as 12/12/12, I think they call it the Rapture, so that they can ride it out and prove themselves holier than thou. The 700 Club has been discussing it since at least the early 80’s and the extreme fringe Christian right is partly responsible for the insanity by perpetrating the myth that we’re all just a breath away from being a victim of a crime.

If you’re a gun owner, I hope you never have to use it to defend your life or family and if you do, I hope you’re not the victim.

A proud non-gun owning American,

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