Water guns banned, REAL guns, OK....

[keeponrockin]

I couldn't imagine living in enough fear to have to carry a weapon around.

[USARAY]

we allow any humans access to the same weapons that our police carry.

does that really make sense to you all?

ha they already got them wtf the criminals got it all and you know the police show up after the
fact right after the deed is done you've never been a victim huh

[Jason P]

I couldn't imagine living in enough fear to have to carry a weapon around.

I agree. If you need to, it's time to move.

[Hugh Freaking Dillon]

think about the worse moment you can come up with

if that isn't the definition of fear I don't know what is.

[USARAY]

I couldn't imagine living in enough fear to have to carry a weapon around.

imagine a gun in your face next time you are out with your guy and he can't protect you
that will be some fear you'll have then
nothing to do with fear being prepared you might wish your man was

[Hugh Freaking Dillon]

how will you protect your loved ones when that moment comes tell us your plan

how will you? are you bruce willis or the flash? seriously do you honestly believe you'd be able to pull out a gun with one pointed at your brain at point blank and be successful?

sorry to break it to you, but you're living a movie if you think that's possible.

[keeponrockin]

I couldn't imagine living in enough fear to have to carry a weapon around.

imagine a gun in your face next time you are out with your guy and he can't protect you
that will be some fear you'll have then
nothing to do with fear being prepared you might wish your man was

Actually, I'm a dude. Any situation where I've had ANY sort of trouble, I can confidently say me having a gun would've made the situation worse. Walking around, gotten a knife pulled on me once, gotten roughed up... still doesn't change my opinion on carrying a weapon.

[Hugh Freaking Dillon]

we allow any humans access to the same weapons that our police carry.

does that really make sense to you all?

ha they already got them wtf the criminals got it all and you know the police show up after the
fact right after the deed is done you've never been a victim huh

that's the POINT. make it illegal for anyone but police to have one.

[Drowned Out]

Where did I say I wouldn't protect my family?

How would you protect your wife and kids think about the worse moment you can come up with
and tell everyone what you would do don't tell us you wouldn't have to cause thats bullshit
just tell us how you will try to save them from being raped and murdered or even worse
taken from you never to know again where they were what was happening to them if they were living hell
consider this a gift a training lesson a preparation how do you try to save them

Well it depends....are the perps islamic extremists or not?
Seriously man, I have absolutely zero concern of this happening to my family. Why would I 'think about the worse moment I can come up with', then use that as grounds to arm myself? Holy shit, Pinhead, Jason, Michael Myers and a flock of zombies could show up at my house, I better get a gun! makes no sense at all.

I already addressed your question (I think it's a question).....the odds are not great enough for me to even consider arming myself for protection. It's not bullshit. The odds are literally millions to one. Why would I worry about that for even a second? it's like living in fear of lightning.
You know what I would really fear? My kids getting their hands on a gun I kept in my house, and shooting themself or a friend. I know I know.....locks locks locks.....my dad kept his porn collection in a locked file cabinet when I was a kid.....the lock made me curious. So I found the key. Besides, how effective is a gun when you have to unlock a cabinet, remove a trigger lock or whatever they're called, get your bullets (which should be stored separately, right?), load the gun, then make your big move?

How do you foresee your armed self-defense going down?.....criminal comes at you with gun drawn....then what? You count to three, pace it off, and draw? No. You get shot as you pull your gun trying to be a hero. What happens to your family after you've escalated the situation, and got shot in front of them?

[USARAY]

think about the worse moment you can come up with

if that isn't the definition of fear I don't know what is.

now you think fear is a bad thing wtf fear is what we learn from fear is like you said survival have you thought of what you will do to protect or you just gonna be stupid surprised when it happens lol from this conversation
i pick the latter you might be a whimperer i bet

[USARAY]

we allow any humans access to the same weapons that our police carry.

does that really make sense to you all?

ha they already got them wtf the criminals got it all and you know the police show up after the
fact right after the deed is done you've never been a victim huh

that's the POINT. make it illegal for anyone but police to have one.

are you thinking the criminals who break the law will follow that wow you are not just dumb but naive
that ain't never going to happen and sure as hell shouldn't

[USARAY]

I couldn't imagine living in enough fear to have to carry a weapon around.

imagine a gun in your face next time you are out with your guy and he can't protect you
that will be some fear you'll have then
nothing to do with fear being prepared you might wish your man was

Actually, I'm a dude. Any situation where I've had ANY sort of trouble, I can confidently say me having a gun would've made the situation worse. Walking around, gotten a knife pulled on me once, gotten roughed up... still doesn't change my opinion on carrying a weapon.

sorry the avatar is a girl man you going to watch your woman get raped nice be prepared dude to protect
your loved ones mark my words once you see them get hurt you will be prepared

[JonnyPistachio]

think about the worse moment you can come up with

if that isn't the definition of fear I don't know what is.

now you think fear is a bad thing wtf fear is what we learn from fear is like you said survival have you thought of what you will do to protect or you just gonna be stupid surprised when it happens lol from this conversation
i pick the latter you might be a whimperer i bet

a whimperer huh? That was rude. Are you even old enough to own a gun? I thought you had to be at least 18.

I've had several guns pointed at me. Three of us were robbed in the front yard of my friends house by three young men. As the robbers ran off, my friends roommate came out of the house with some kind of automatic hardcore looking firearm. I was so glad they ran off because if that roommate woldve come out 10 seconds earlier, it wouldve been like the OK Coral.

I've had one go off -- a shotgun -- missed my head by a few inches. Boy was I scared. It was loud. And immediately I thought to myself, "that would've been quick" I would have not had much reaction time to avoid being shot. The triggerman? my friend: a cop. haha, yes, I am laughing now, and yes, he is a cop.

So, if you ask what's the WORST moment I can come up with? It would be if I owned a gun and it got in the wrong hands. If we're using our imagination here -- it would be if I owned a gun and some kid stole it somehow and used to it kill someone.

[USARAY]

how will you protect your loved ones when that moment comes tell us your plan

how will you? are you bruce willis or the flash? seriously do you honestly believe you'd be able to pull out a gun with one pointed at your brain at point blank and be successful?

sorry to break it to you, but you're living a movie if you think that's possible.

better than whining and not trying to protect like I said before training preparation common sense
and don't go off half cocked
point is I got a fighting chance you don't its not that hard to get you got shit
and you didn't answer the question see you are the worst so unprepared like it will never
happen to you somebody posted la la land awhile back i think home is calling your name
man and seriously i hope you are never tested cause its a fail for you and maybe for your wife
and kids too if you got any remember the police arrive after the fact it's up to you
to protect them in your home and out

[mikepegg44]

You guys all keep ignoring my point that a second gun escalates the situation. You have to draw first, or get lucky, for it to be effective as self defense. As Brian pointed out, most murders are domestic. why are we taught to give up our wallets in a mugging? Because even if the criminal is armed, they most likely do not have the intent to hurt you! They want your money! I'd rather let someone take my credit cards than fucking shoot them out of spite....but hey, I'm just a pussy Canadian. I should grow a pair and start shooting people over money and material possessions. That's fuckin justice YA!

there was a rash of strong arm robberies and even a few that ended in shootings for a good 3-4 years in a rather affluent neighborhood of Minneapolis called uptown (even though it is south west of down town)...the worst being someone, a 25 year old, who gave up his wallet and everything and was shot in the head anyway for no reason at all...how do we know this...because he was with his family who also were robbed but not shot...anyway...back to the intent of this...the last robbery I heard about, and granted that doesn't mean more haven't happened they just haven't been reported on with the veracity that they were, ended with a 60 year old marine shooting one of the suspects in the leg as they ran away...take that for what its worth...I am glad he shot him. They were terrifying a neighborhood and deserved what they got. There is no reason to think that crimes don't escalate without a 2nd gun. on the flip side, as Mr Smith said, "this...this is the business end. Don't ever point this at anything you don't intend to kill." If someone was pointing a gun at me I would be terrified. No one here knows exactly how they would react because your body shuts off and the flight or fight response takes over...it is why some people flinch when something comes their way and some simply move to the right or left...

guns can help, doesn't mean anyone who chooses not to carry one is a pussy...Personally, other than a home invasion, I don't bring my family to places that are known high crime areas. I would prefer to limit my chances of being robbed etc that way...and also moving out of the city, to a sleepy town...but not everyone has that ability or want to do it . I don't know why anyone would judge someone for feeling the need to carry a piece. Lot's of generalizations being made about people who carry and don't carry...why can't we just realize that it isn't your responsibility to deny someone else their rights whether you choose to exercise them or not...I don't carry, have a permit but I do not carry...got it for living down town and realized it was just easier to make a slow migration out of the city. I moved to the neighborhood referenced above...mistake...so I moved much further out...that was my response to crime...I wish everyone had those means but they don't. People in gang run neighborhoods live in very REAL fear every day...no one needs a seat belt until they need one...and no one needs a way to defend themselves until they need one ( I have always thought the 400 meter dash is the best self defense, and this coming from someone proficient in muay thai and jui jitsu)...if you feel you don't need a gun more power to you...and in Canada I would venture to guess you probably don't need one most cities you live in...I guarantee you there isn't as much gang activity up there as there is down here...one could say the gun culture of the states is to blame for the crime, while others looking at those same statistics on gun ownership could say the crime is the reason the gun ownership levels are so high...
End the war on drugs and you solve this gang problem. Don't see too many people dying in illegal alcohol smuggling operations anymore...but the drugs are the problem ...not the "war" on it...

basically what I am saying is there is a chicken egg argument about crime and guns...but why does anyone think they have the ability to make negative assumptions about a large group of people who decide to carry or not carry? Fear comes from somewhere, irrational fear is what you have to worry about...and I think fearing cc permit holders is as irrational as living in constant fear without a reason.

But I am not in favor of banning something for everyone because a few cannot handle it. That is just a different philosophy I suppose...