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Re: Who is Joseph Kony?

Postby dimitrispearljam » Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:24 am

redrock wrote:But why is that Dimi? Are we just not interested? It's not 'our world'? We are all well versed in the issues in other western countries and even in the middle east. Why would Africa be any different?

Thanks for posting this Kat. Need to open our eyes to the whole world.

cos people need to be in the dark....
cos big countries dont have any interest of Africa cos no oil,or water...
dont u see that all big sickness comes from Africa?
they want them sick,poor ,dead..Africa is a big power and need to be down ...
its so sad..
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Re: Who is Joseph Kony?

Postby redrock » Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:28 am

dimitrispearljam wrote:cos people need to be in the dark....
cos big countries dont have any interest of Africa cos no oil,or water...
dont u see that all big sickness comes from Africa?
they want them sick,poor ,dead..Africa is a big power and need to be down ...
its so sad..


Some of these african countries are very rich in natural resources - that's partly why some western countries (like Britain or Belgium) were so interested in colonizing them. But I guess eventually all the corruption makes them implode on themselves in a way.

But you are right, a lot are just poor - not enough to pique our interest....
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Re: Who is Joseph Kony?

Postby Vitalogy Man » Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:35 am

dimitrispearljam wrote:
redrock wrote:But why is that Dimi? Are we just not interested? It's not 'our world'? We are all well versed in the issues in other western countries and even in the middle east. Why would Africa be any different?

Thanks for posting this Kat. Need to open our eyes to the whole world.

cos people need to be in the dark....
cos big countries dont have any interest of Africa cos no oil,or water...
dont u see that all big sickness comes from Africa?
they want them sick,poor ,dead..Africa is a big power and need to be down ...
its so sad..



Africa= no oil? Wow, news to me. Libya? Angola? Nigeria? Egypt?

"Thirty percent of the world's newly discovered oil reserves come from Africa's west coast (alone)." - Boston Globe

"The continent is believed to hold 90% of the world’s cobalt, 90% of its platinum, 50% of its gold, 98% of its chromium, 70% of its tantalite, 64% of its manganese and one-third of its uranium."- Wikipedia


Africans live on top of gold, diamonds, oil, and most of the worlds precious metals and minerals... Its a shame so many starve and live in poverty... Maybe getting rid of this guy will fix all of that. Lets HOPE.
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Re: Who is Joseph Kony?

Postby polaris_x » Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:41 am

Vitalogy Man wrote:Africans live on top of gold, diamonds, oil, and most of the worlds precious metals and minerals... Its a shame so many starve and live in poverty... Maybe getting rid of this guy will fix all of that. Lets HOPE.


it's western nations and corporations that keep africa in poverty ...
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Re: Who is Joseph Kony?

Postby redrock » Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:46 am

Certainly some north african countries have oil - Egypt, Algeria and Libya. All three unstable countries/countries in conflict.

Other main oil producing countries: Angola, Nigeria, Sudan - major conflict there.

Cote d'Ivoire, Sierra Leone, Ghana, Ethiopia, Mali - gold/diamonds - conflict and unstable countries.

I could go on...

Add corruption and exploitation from large corporations and individuals and you have impoverished people and conflict takes hold.

Getting rid of this guy will not fix things. Unfortunately.
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Re: Who is Joseph Kony?

Postby Jason P » Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:47 am

polaris_x wrote:
Vitalogy Man wrote:Africans live on top of gold, diamonds, oil, and most of the worlds precious metals and minerals... Its a shame so many starve and live in poverty... Maybe getting rid of this guy will fix all of that. Lets HOPE.


it's western nations and corporations that keep africa in poverty ...

that's the only reason?
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Re: Who is Joseph Kony?

Postby polaris_x » Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:48 am

Jason P wrote:that's the only reason?


no ... but it's the primary reason .. most everything stems from that ...
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Re: Who is Joseph Kony?

Postby Vitalogy Man » Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:49 am

polaris_x wrote:
Vitalogy Man wrote:Africans live on top of gold, diamonds, oil, and most of the worlds precious metals and minerals... Its a shame so many starve and live in poverty... Maybe getting rid of this guy will fix all of that. Lets HOPE.


it's western nations and corporations that keep africa in poverty ...



Oh, really? How is that?
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Re: Who is Joseph Kony?

Postby Godfather. » Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:49 am

Kat wrote:http://www.kony2012.com/watch


he's a young guy really and an veil bastard at that.

Godfather.

Joseph Kony was born in 1961 in Odek, a village east of Gulu in northern Uganda.[1][2] Kony was the son of farmers. He had a good relationship with his siblings, but if they crossed him he came down hard on them.[6] When confronted, he often resorted to his fists rather than parrying verbally. He was teased in school about his size and the teachers gave him a hard time for his low grades. His father was a lay catechist of the Catholic Church and his mother was an Anglican. Kony was an altar boy for several years, but he stopped attending church at about the age of 15.[6] As a teenager, Kony apprenticed as the village witch doctor under his older brother, Jamie Brow, and when his older brother died, he took over full responsibility.[7] A high-school dropout, Kony first came to prominence in January 1986. His group was one of many premillennialist groups that sprang up in Acholiland in the wake of the wildly popular Holy Spirit Movement of Alice Auma (aka Lakwena). However, the conflict in the north began with the resentment among the Acholi at their relative loss of influence after the overthrow of Acholi President Tito Okello by Yoweri Museveni and his National Resistance Army (NRA) during the Ugandan Bush War, ending in 1986.

Originally Kony's group was named the United Holy Salvation Army (UHSA) and was not perceived as a threat by the NRA. By 1988, with the accord between NRA and the Uganda People's Democratic Army and addition of its remnant troops as well as forced recruitment of children the United Holy Salvation Army was becoming a formidable resistance army. The bulk of his foot soldiers were children. He is estimated to have taken 104,000 or more boys and girls since the LRA started fighting in 1986. He often killed their family and neighbors when abducting these children, forcing them to fight for him.[6] With these remnants of UPDA was commander Odong Latek, who convinced Kony to use standard military tactics as opposed to its previous attempts which involved attacking in cross-shaped formations and the use of holy water. The new tactics proved successful and the UHSA delivered several small but stinging defeats against the NRA. After these victories the NRA responded by significantly weakening the Kony's group with political actions and a military campaign named Operation North.

By 1992, Kony had renamed the group United Democratic Christian Army and it was at this time that they kidnapped 44 girls from the Sacred Heart Secondary and St. Mary's girls schools.[8] Operation North was devastating to what would become the Lord's Resistance Army and with their number reduced from thousands to hundreds still engaged in retaliatory attacks on civilians and NRA collaborators.

Betty Bigombe remembered that the first time she met Kony, his followers used oil to ward-off bullets and evil spirits.[9] In a letter regarding future talks, Kony stated that he must consult the Holy Spirit. When the talks did occur they insisted on participation of religious leaders and opened the proceedings with prayers led by LRA's Director of Religious Affairs Jenaro Bongomi. Finally, during the 1994 peace talks Kony appeared preceded by men in robes sprinkling holy water.[10]

Many international attempts at peace[citation needed] and an end to the abduction of children by Kony and his Lord's Resistance Army occurred between 1996 and 2001.[citation needed] All of them failed to end the abductions, rape, child soldiers, and civilian casualties including attacks on refugee camps. After the September 11th attacks, the United States declared the Lord's Resistance Army a terrorist group.[11]

Joseph Kony was thought among followers and detractors alike to have been possessed by spirits; he has been portrayed as either the Messiah or the Devil. He reportedly made annual trips to the Ato Hills in Uganda. He would allegedly ascend to the highest of the hills and lie down in the hot sun for days. He would be covered by a blanket of red termites that slashed deeply into his skin. Oil from the Yao plant was spread over his body. Then he would enter a cave and stay in seclusion for weeks. Kony believes in the literal protection provided by a cross symbol and tells his child soldiers a cross on their chest drawn in oil would protect them from bullets.[6] Kony insists that he and the Lord's Resistance Army are fighting for the Ten Commandments. "Yes, we are fighting for Ten Commandments," "Is it bad? It is not against human rights. And that commandment was not given by Joseph. It was not given by LRA. No, those commandments were given by God."[12]

The Ugandan military has attempted to kill Kony for most of the insurgency. Uganda's latest attempt towards tracking down Kony has been to enlist the help of former LRA combatants to search remote areas of the Central African Republic, the Sudan and the Democratic Republic of the Congo where he was last seen.[13
it dosen't matter to me what a man dose for a living you understand..
as long as his interest's don't conflict with mine.
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Re: Who is Joseph Kony?

Postby Godfather. » Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:52 am

Vitalogy Man wrote:
polaris_x wrote:
Vitalogy Man wrote:Africans live on top of gold, diamonds, oil, and most of the worlds precious metals and minerals... Its a shame so many starve and live in poverty... Maybe getting rid of this guy will fix all of that. Lets HOPE.


it's western nations and corporations that keep africa in poverty ...



Oh, really? How is that?



he may have been kidding...everybody else on here blames the US for all the bad in the world so why not this too..right ? I think it was in jest.

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Re: Who is Joseph Kony?

Postby Vitalogy Man » Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:52 am

redrock wrote:Certainly some north african countries have oil - Egypt, Algeria and Libya. All three unstable countries/countries in conflict.

Other main oil producing countries: Angola, Nigeria, Sudan - major conflict there.

Cote d'Ivoire, Sierra Leone, Ghana, Ethiopia, Mali - gold/diamonds - conflict and unstable countries.

I could go on...

Add corruption and exploitation from large corporations and individuals and you have impoverished people and conflict takes hold.

Getting rid of this guy will not fix things. Unfortunately.



Interesting.

Which corporations, specifically, are exploiting the Africans?

I'd like to boycott them if you can tell me who.
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Re: Who is Joseph Kony?

Postby Vitalogy Man » Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:54 am

he may have been kidding...everybody else on here blames the US for all the bad in the world so why not this too..right ? I think it was in jest.

Godfather.


Ohhhh. Man, I'm slow.
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Re: Who is Joseph Kony?

Postby redrock » Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:03 am

Vitalogy Man wrote:Interesting.

Which corporations, specifically, are exploiting the Africans?

I'd like to boycott them if you can tell me who.

One of the first articles to come up with a quick google search was this one who explains a bit on how africans are exploited. Naturally this is just a quick overview, I'm sure there is much more informative and in depth articles out there! As I am sure there are some which will give you 'specifics'

http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish ... 5661.shtml
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Re: Who is Joseph Kony?

Postby Vitalogy Man » Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:04 am

redrock wrote:
Vitalogy Man wrote:Interesting.

Which corporations, specifically, are exploiting the Africans?

I'd like to boycott them if you can tell me who.

One of the first articles to come up with a quick google search was this one who explains a bit on how africans are exploited. Naturally this is just a quick overview, I'm sure there is much more informative and in depth articles out there!

http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish ... 5661.shtml



Thanks, I'll check it out.
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Re: Who is Joseph Kony?

Postby redrock » Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:05 am

Godfather. wrote:

he may have been kidding...everybody else on here blames the US for all the bad in the world so why not this too..right ? I think it was in jest.

Godfather.


Has anyone even mentioned the US in this thread? I think you may be the first one. Don't bring this thread down to a 'you're just bashing the US again' thread. It's too important of a subject.
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