MG79478 wrote: fortyshades wrote:
Actually, we love to point out that he is a socialist. You do know there is a difference?
The political spectrum is based on government control. With Anarchy, the complete absense of government being at the far right. Fascism and Socialism are to the far left, for complete government control. Not understanding this shows nothing more than a blatant ignorance of these political extremes and a complete misunderstanding of the basic ideologies...
Dear MG, I know the difference perfectly clear. I studied and teach this at the University; as a matter of fact I have published on genocides and and genocidal violence. "Government control" is not at the basis of these ideologies. The basis of the Marxist ideology is "equality", which in extent implies
government control. "Government control" is therefore the by-product of the ideological basis; not the goal. There is furthermore a difference between Communisme and Socialism. Socialism believes in some form of government control but also privatization. Communism believes in complete government control. (And even here the opinions differ.) The plan economy of Communism in Europe has failed dramatically...
The basis of the Right is ideologically "inequality" / "Survival of the fittest" - it is on these ideals that the Right is built. And here there are also gradations. To the extreme side of this, Fascism, there is as a matter of fact complete government control (dictatorship); also as a side product, to implent the "survival of the fittest", may this be racial (Nazi Germany), ethnicity etc.
Placing "goverment control" at the basis of these ideologies is therefore manufacturing the historical basis of the Left (Socialism/ theories of Marx) and Right. Governmental control is always the outcome
(and not the basis) of the implementations of these ideologies. I am not sure what your sources are, but it seems to me it is a pile of propeganda, which uses the present day obsessions of the United States to manufacture the past. My advice: don't read it or push the delete button. Go out there and read (real) books from true and established historians and get informed.
Anarchism btw is not "extreme right"", as a matter of fact, it is on the left side of the spectrum...
This is your opinion, which you are free to have. Just note that your opinion is built on your specific experiences. This includes where you live, and your career and education, which most likely was heavily influenced by someone else's (professors) opinion while you were in school.
I don't understand the need to bring back a thread that died 1.5 months ago. I understand being busy, I have a family and an extremely challenging career that require a decent amount of travel. I've replied to a thread a week, maybe two late, due to my hectic schedule. But I eventually made it back in a relatively timely manner to do so if I thought it was an important point to make. I don't know what to take from the long time it took for your reply. People don't get so busy that something you feel strongly enough about to reply to 1.5 months later can't be fit in sooner. Especially if you are such an expert on the topic, a reply should have been relatively simple, and not required any real thought or research.
The reason why I respond so late is because I have other obligations than TenClub: among them teaching and publishing. But more importantly: being a father.
Tenclub is not my life - and thank God for that.
Regarding your comment that this is "my opinion". It is not "only" my opinion: it based is on *true* scientific and well-established research - from historians to social scientists - for example, just to name a few: Proctor, Bringa, Taylor, Van de Port, Turner, Scheper-Hughes, Scott and even the classics Gramsci, Weber, Durkheim and in the end Marx himself. (These writers are both left, right etc.; they are not driven by a political goal or orientation.) This is a scientific basis that the right seem to have a lack of; their books and arguments seem to be nothing more than political bias and party propeganda. As a matter of fact: they reinterpret Marx as they like and miss the point what he was trying to say. "Governmental control" (read interpretation of the far-right in the US) was not his main focus. His main focus was in understanding the industrialization of the 19th century. Nothing more and nothing less. And you should understand his academic output in that light... That he "predicted" Communism was not uncommon for social scientists in his time/age. Weber made predictions, Durkheim made predictions etc. I do not think that Marx would have agreed with dictorial govermental dictatorship. The Communism in Russia did this and it failed.
My "opinion" is therefore not only based "on the place I live in", but by being well informed.
Regarding your comment about me being influenced by "professors" is, to be very honest, paternalizing at best. I am not sure if you meant it this way. (BTW I am rather influenced by "professors" than nonsense writers sponsored by the Republican party.) I can think for myself, thank you. But if you are able to think for yourself at least do it on basis of true scientific work and not on the basis of right propeganda. My advice: read *real* books, have an openmind, read *real* information instead of the ludecrice that the right seem to express through party programs and certain networks like Fox News, who is in the hands of the Tea Party mastermind Murdoch. The information is out there. And I think it is you civic duty to get it and read it, instead of being brainswashed by the stupid and ahistorical right-wing nonsense. "Anarchism" right? Hitler far-left? Please give me break... Please teach yourself the true political spectrums and get your head out of the propeganda nonsense that you seem to be stuck into...
Calling Hitler far-left is an insult to all Europeans who have suffered his policies and the 6 million who died in his hands (not to mention the millions of "communists" that fough Hitler for four years!) is unsetteling at best...Not-having-an-historical knowledge at worst...
Listen, I don't want to bash you. (And if I did, I apologize.) I just think that it important that people get well informed before making Hitler and/or Anarchism exactly what it is not.
Edit: I softened my tone of my original response, for it was written from a primary reaction and didn't do MG or myself any justice.