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Re: Screwed Up Education System

Postby _ » Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:50 am

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scb wrote:I know you also said some other stuff about "good" teachers (which is still undefined) getting paid more, but it's hard to get past all the negativity about teachers, which I think it much more prevalent than any positivity about, appreciation for, or understanding of them.



I understand and actually agree with a lot of what you say. It disturbs me though that you don't seem to think there is a way to measure a good teacher vs a poor teacher. It's certainly not as easy as measuring the performance of a salesman as there are far more variables and no 1 measure that can quantify the totality of a teacher's ability/job performance. But I certainly think it can and should be done. It is better to reward those teachers that perform at a high level (#1 It keeps them teaching #2 It incentives others to become teachers #3 It's a wake up call to anyone currently riding the gravy train) rather than reward someone just for showing up for so long.


I'm sure there's a way to evaulate teachers - but no one who has been talking about all the shitty teachers has been able to really tell me what it is, though they judge. I don't think it should be based on students' grades though, nor do I think all the various experiences of teachers should be measured with the same measuring stick. If I were tasked with coming up with an evaluation system for teachers, I would ask the teachers. (Isn't that part of the problem with our education system - that we have a top-down instead of bottom-up approach?) And I wouldn't have the teachers at a wealthy school creating a system for teachers at a poor school, or regular ed teachers creating a system for special ed teachers, etc. But I would argue that evaluation systems are already in place - and they evaluate a lot more than just attendance.
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Re: Screwed Up Education System

Postby haffajappa » Wed Jun 09, 2010 3:49 pm

cincybearcat wrote:
scb wrote:I know you also said some other stuff about "good" teachers (which is still undefined) getting paid more, but it's hard to get past all the negativity about teachers, which I think it much more prevalent than any positivity about, appreciation for, or understanding of them.



I understand and actually agree with a lot of what you say. It disturbs me though that you don't seem to think there is a way to measure a good teacher vs a poor teacher. It's certainly not as easy as measuring the performance of a salesman as there are far more variables and no 1 measure that can quantify the totality of a teacher's ability/job performance. But I certainly think it can and should be done. It is better to reward those teachers that perform at a high level (#1 It keeps them teaching #2 It incentives others to become teachers #3 It's a wake up call to anyone currently riding the gravy train) rather than reward someone just for showing up for so long.

I'm kind of leaning towards cincybearcat on this one, albeit hard, i don't think its impossible to have some measure of good and bad teachers. not that their isn't a large, large grey area, but when a teacher is really really bad, its not fair they are always protected by the union, imo.
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Re: Screwed Up Education System

Postby Breakerfall2010 » Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:12 pm

Here's an article posted by the Orange County Register newspaper in Southern California about an afterschool program I created, despite getting laid off. It is a film production company, and we recently won a contest at the Cannes Lion Festival in France for Kodak.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/bui-254755-says-students.html
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Re: Screwed Up Education System

Postby polaris_x » Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:25 pm

Breakerfall2010 wrote:Here's an article posted by the Orange County Register newspaper in Southern California about an afterschool program I created, despite getting laid off. It is a film production company, and we recently won a contest at the Cannes Lion Festival in France for Kodak.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/bui-254755-says-students.html


i don't know whether to congratulate you or offer sympathy ... you know the system is fucked up when you are awarded teacher of the year and your students love you that you get laid off ...

i hope you don't lose faith as it's clear you have a gift and you are inded making the world a better place ... hopefully, you wind up in a community and system that appreciates what you are doing ...
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Re: Screwed Up Education System

Postby _ » Mon Jul 05, 2010 9:03 pm

Breakerfall2010 wrote:Here's an article posted by the Orange County Register newspaper in Southern California about an afterschool program I created, despite getting laid off. It is a film production company, and we recently won a contest at the Cannes Lion Festival in France for Kodak.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/bui-254755-says-students.html


Dude, that's SO awesome!! And is the girl in picture #13 wearing a little stick girl shirt? :lol:
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Re: Screwed Up Education System

Postby Breakerfall2010 » Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:01 am

scb wrote:Dude, that's SO awesome!! And is the girl in picture #13 wearing a little stick girl shirt? :lol:


Actually, the shirt that the girl is wearing is based on Pearl Jam's stick man. The majority of Pearl Jam fans are of the older generation, but these kids love them. So a couple of them sat down and sketched out their own version of the stick man and we've put it on our own program shirts. Right now we're redesigning it so that we can get it trademarked.

Here's a music video set to Johnny Guitar the kids created. It's a montage of some of their work since the beginning of the school year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3X2H88hud0
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Re: Screwed Up Education System

Postby Breakerfall2010 » Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:07 am

polaris_x wrote:i don't know whether to congratulate you or offer sympathy ... you know the system is fucked up when you are awarded teacher of the year and your students love you that you get laid off ...

i hope you don't lose faith as it's clear you have a gift and you are inded making the world a better place ... hopefully, you wind up in a community and system that appreciates what you are doing ...



Thank you so much for the encouraging words. I haven't lost faith yet, and the system that I have been a part of for so long is no longer part of the equation. The program I've created is still in its infant stages, and even if it faces bullshit from the system, its still going to go on strong.
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Re: Screwed Up Education System

Postby imalive » Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:09 am

Blockhead wrote:I agree SCB. My wife is a teacher in Northern Kentucky at a rough "inner city" school and you just can't teach kids that don't want to learn or care. Its not easy to say that it is their jobs to do that when the 5th graders are 15 years old and have already mapped out their life. Things are as cut and dry to blame the whole system on Teachers. The problem i belive lies with the kids and their parents.


my wife is a teacher too. a damn good teacher. when newt was bashing teachers last night and saying we ought to turn schools over to the PARENTS, I about spit up my beer. (non-caring) PARENTS are most of the problem.
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