scb wrote:For those of you talking about shitty teachers versus good teachers.... I'd like to know how you propose that we measure which teachers are shitty and which ones are good.
Also, I can't help but notice that there seems to be more talk about shitty teachers than most any other profession, which I think only serves to propagate the idea that it's the teachers' fault that our education system isn't better. Is this what you believe?
You'd like to know how to measure which teachers are good? Do you ask this of any other profession? Since I'm not in the education business (teacher or otherwise) I'll defer to someone who is, but I don't think it is any harder than any other profession.
There is more talk about shitty teachers because everyone comes in contact with teachers over a large portion of their lives. Do you spend that much time with lawyers? Accountants? Nope.
Also, are teachers exclusively union?
If someone calls many people of another profession shitty at that profession, yes, I ask how they measure what it means to be shitty and what it means to be good. I do believe that if people are going to talk about shitty teachers (or shitty garbage men, or shitty lawyers, or whoever), then they should be able to explain what they mean by this. (I realize that you didn't exactly do this.) I think it probably is harder to determine how to measure good teachers than many other, more objective professions.
I'll point out that, although we don't always meet them in person, we spend many more years of our lives employing the services of trash collectors, mail carriers, physicians, etc. - and yet we don't hear half as much judgement about them, especially not as a group. We all know that the healthcare system in this country is probably in worse shape than the education system, yet the failure of the education system is blamed on teachers much more than the failure of the healthcare system is blamed on doctors (and you certainly wouldn't see all the healthcare providers in an entire system fired like happened in that one school system). But everyone's a fucking critic when it comes to teachers, and I think this is just another aspect of their undervaluation in this country.
No, teachers are not exclusively union.