I have over time been asked about this one a bit in the thread and in PM...think I am now at a place I am ready/willing to explain it all.
depopulationINC wrote:I denounce your temporal plane
Transgressions and faults require at least one day
I close eyes to the Unions ritual Decree
Why cant you just tell us all
That we should live free
Don’t portray false messages
From the unbirthed Ghost
Thoughts of Temporal lashings
Hurt the most
Evil lurks behind those pure eyes
Why repent sins against son of man
While Spirit defaced throws away the lamb
Is this His discipline
Or a controlling façade
Eating bread
From sweat of brow
Do all before Him
Be condemned by God
This might be
A mortal sin
Seems so venial
At best
Deep within
Free your body
Mind and soul
Drink the blood
Ass you grow old
Before my living
Can commence
Holy Eucharist Sacrament
But when you kneel
And then repent
If you die you’ll stay above
But without feast
Will He show His love
this piece is about Purgatory and a child's place within it. I have never wanted to divulge that for 2 reason. A – I thought it might hurt people to hear that, and if it does I do greatly apologize...believe me the very thought hurts me to...explained by B – a number of years ago I was with a girl who ended up losing a newborn. This was all obviously very painful...the rage, discontent, sadness, bitterness and gloom was rather all-consuming and was the single biggest factor in shaping the rest of my life (a close second was a bad car accident in which I had to hold a dying friend on the side of the road and ended up being the only survivor...i have posted that somewhere here before).
As I have mentioned before, I converted to Catholicism...and well, it was to be with this very girl. I was extremely lost and confused, and because I had just went through the process of converting, the teachings were very fresh in my mind (this particular priest was old school...made you study and what not to convert...the way it was historically supposed to be achieved). I turned to the priest to discuss the matter and confessed that I was confused what would happen to the child as they had never completed sacrament of reconciliation, and Catholic Doctrine stated that confession was a requirement for access to heaven. I said it did not make a lot of sense to me, because surely the child had never sinned, apart from the fact that it had never been afforded the opportunity to meet the conditions of God's grace. I asked if this would be considered a sin...more specifically I asked if it would be a mortal sin. He said that it would not be a Mortal Sin, but would 'obviously' be Venial. This sent me irate! I asked what that meant...the child had not practiced reconciliation, and had Venial Sins, so this would mean Purgatory....he agreed. So this meant that this innocent child would need to go to Purgatory for Temporal cleansing!
Now, Purgatory is a temporal plane somewhere between heaven and hell. Some souls go straight to Heaven (very few), some go straight to Hell (ei Mortal Sinners), and some are simply deemed to not yet be pure enough to pass through the pearly gates. They therefore go to Purgatory to be lashed free of their sins. This is an indeterminate amount of time...some may be there for eternity attempting to be cleansed, some a very brief stay...it is all dependent on the sins, quantity of and the soul's ability to truly repent.
So, this child had apparently never sinned greatly enough to go to Hell, but was not allowed access to Heaven...this leaves Purgatory for eternity. Now, oddly enough, in the past couple years the Catholic Church (Vatican) set forth to give better definition of Purgatory, but I am not sure if that redefinition was ever completed or released...I know I have not read it, and don't think I ever will.
Anyways, that is the really really really quick overview of where this all came from....thought I would break it all apart a bit now.
I denounce your temporal plane
--- I think Purgatory is bullshit /flawed / unjust
Transgressions and faults require at least one day
--- The sins that place one in Purgatory surely can not be acquired at birth, even though I do realise that technically confession must take place
I close eyes to the Unions ritual Decree
--- The ritual decree of Batism, Confrimation and Eucharist are requirements to gain God's grace...I call it a union, because there a few...so union = group
Why cant you just tell us all
That we should live free
--- just kind of saying you give us free will, even though we do not have it. Free will does not have conditions bound to it.
Don’t portray false messages
--- touching on the fact that his teachings tell us that if we don't sin and we stay pure that heaven awaits, that if we idolize Him and try to live in His all pure image that we get in...again, this is not free will...it is do as you are told or else.
From the unbirthed Ghost
--- unbirthed Ghost = Holy Ghost...it was never really “born” per say
Thoughts of Temporal lashings
Hurt the most
--- Purgatory is supposedly a Temporal plane of existence where transgressions are beaten and burned out of your soul
Evil lurks behind those pure eyes
--- God's is the purist form (viewing from behind pure eyes), and for aforementioned reasons, I see don't agree with Purgatory in its entirety...almost evil
Why repent sins against son of man
--- we are supposed to confess/repent our sins, venial sins are what need cleansing in Purgatory
While Spirit defaced throws away the lamb
--- It is like God feels smited because the sacraments were not done, and now he is going to toss away one of his children/lamb because of it. I also often envision/associate a lamb with babies/youth. I also kinda see God as viewing us as his sheep...his heard to follow him
Is this His discipline
Or a controlling façade
--- Is this really all him, or is it made up bs from someone trying to give depth to the faith. Purgatory, from what I have read, has only been a part of the Catholic doctrine for around 1000 years.
Eating bread
From sweat of brow
Do all before Him
Be condemned by God
--- Eucharist is like accesses to Catholic Christianity...it is viewed as “the” big sacrament so to speak...Holy Communion...2nd sacrament of the 7 (Baptism, Eucharist, Reconciliation, Confirmation, Marriage, Holy Orders/Ordination, Last Rites). Part of the Eucharist/Communion process that many are familiar with is the breaking and distribution of sacramental bread at the alter...the bread representing the resurrection of Christ, and the breaking and sharing of the bread symbolizes unity. So, back to the whole thing that if you don't partake in the sacraments, First Communion being but one of them, that God is condemning you...could be Hell, in this case Purgatory. Bread of course being from the last supper.
This might be
A mortal sin
Seems so venial
At best
Deep within
--- Mortal sins are sins that are severe, done knowingly and deliberately via the sinner...reference the 10 commandments...plus faith, hope and charity. “You shall have no other gods before me ”... the First Commandment...or maybe the third...”You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain” my very words would be viewed as a Mortal Sin. By saying that they seem venial it is a shot a god, as venial sins are forgivable. So, it is trivializing my so called mortal sin. 'Seems so trivial, at best, deep within' is saying me denouncing you over Purgatory may be a mortal sin, but can you really blame me in this situation? Yeah, I know...it is a test...I am supposed to say it is a part of God's greater plan, that I am supposed to have blind faith in this situation and pray to him for guidance in this time of despair. Guess I failed Him and his test huh.
Free your body
Mind and soul
Drink the blood
Ass you grow old
--- the act of attending Mass and taking Communion/ Eucharist...just using that as a generalization that we are to continue worshiping Him and only Him to gain access (remember, not doing so is a Mortal sin...so don't take that chance boys and girls). I guess I see that you essentially freeing body, mind and soul via Eucharist and confession. You are cleansing your venial sins if you truly are repenting (saving some pain in Purgatory)...the blood is a representation of the wine at communion, which is a representation the wine from the last supper and also Jesus' blood (you know...the whole thing about Christ saying he is of pure vine (his soul is pure because he is one in the same...a piece...of god), he therefore turns water to wine because the bread and wine were made from a piece of him...so it transforms his body to bread and his blood transforms water to wine and he feasts with the disciples).
Before my living
Can commence
Holy Eucharist Sacrament
--- in other words be careful to do shit before you take communion
But when you kneel
And then repent
If you die you’ll stay above
--- and do it often because it will help you ass out in purgatory.
But without feast
Will He show His love
--- so basically if you don't take communion, and follow structured sacraments, the Catholic Church is saying God kinda looks at you as a lamb for the slaughtering. Many other religions state that you are to keep Him in your heart, and that showing up at the church is not always a requirement...that you can worship him from anywhere...I mean hey, the 4th commandment says to “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.” it says nothing about having to go to a church to for Eucharist...but you don't make money if the flock is not there now do you? The Catholic Church is, in my eyes, abusive of it authority on so many levels. I have no issues with religion per say, but follow the scripture you preach from.
I obviously have issues with the Catholic Church and its doctrines. I don't agree with their definition of most things, nor how they do little things like tricking you into having to come for communion to repent, just to get you in the door so to speak. I am all for the 5th commandment on, but the first 4...not how the Catholic Church spins them.
by tremors » Fri Oct 07, 2011 2:49 am 
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